Bumamgar

[girth]

Originally Posted by Atern [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that's how rumors get started. Good job!

Source is pretty reliable. Just saying. It doesn't help his case that he's on here acting like he's ignorant of raid rules as a raiding guild GM and that he will now look them over and 'decide something' from there...AFTER the fact that it should have cost him a boss, AND he acts like the victim here.

Seriously?

[Atern]

IMO all raiding rules should be in 1 place, not spread out among multiple threads. I guess I should ask this now..

Are there any other "raid rules" threads we need to know about other than the server raid rules and this player raid rules thread?

Maybe we can avoid all of this in the future. Or better yet, maybe we should combine all the rules together?

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much...if you assume we had proof that they failed the role call, which they did.
I'm happy though for some of my buddies in WI for getting their first kill, but Bumamgar is really showing his true colors. Also heard he planned to ignore the 30 minute timer if it came to that, but that's just hearsay. I believe it though after reading this thread.

What the fuck?

Seriously, the only people whining anywhere in any of these threads are people outside of WI. Please, show me where a WI member has whined... I anxiously await the wall of quotes showing any whining at all by any member of WI in relation to this incident, period....

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one from WI called Ektar out for anything. Someone else flamed WI for failing the role call and I thanked IB for not pushing the issue. I know it's hard for forum trolls to read through their rage-vision, but seriously, at least make some attempt to read before posting, thanks!

(Actually, I think Skope, who is not a member of WI and is in fact, the founding member of the p1999 chapter of the global Bumamgar haters club, is the one who "called out Ektar" and claimed "shady" dealings when we failed the timer and IB chose not to enforce it).

IB had the dignity and respect to realize that WI may not have been aware of the existing rules.

Bravo IB, and cheers to WI for your dragon kill! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now let's all get together and address this camping fiasco.

[Beau]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one from WI called Ektar out for anything. Someone else flamed WI for failing the role call and I thanked IB for not pushing the issue. I know it's hard for forum trolls to read through their rage-vision, but seriously, at least make some attempt to read before posting, thanks!

And

Ektar tried to impose some additional rules on the situation, and I promptly ignored him. I'm not against working within an additional set of player created rules, but no one handed me a rulebook when I formed WI and started raiding, and waiting till I'm running a raid under a 30 minute timer at 8:30 in the morning on a Monday to inform me of these "extra" rules and expecting me to honor them sight unseen and back down from a mob I've just spent 5 days camping is ludicrous. I'm sure I'll be involved in further discussions with the other raiding guilds on this server and come to an agreement, but springing it as a surprise mid-raid is pretty lame, imho. It was well known that WI was camping Naggy, and there was plenty of time for Ektar to send me a tell during that time to make sure I was aware of whatever additional rules beyond the official GM created rules I was going to be expected to know about and adhere to.

To me, coming to the RnF and calling someone by name on something you dont agree with, is a pretty good example of calling someone out. That may not have been your intention, but that is how it came across. "Soandso trying to impose additional rules." It would be one thing if he was making stuff up on the spot. But these particular "additional rules" have been standard practice for months.

[girth]

This will be my last post on this thread. I didn't say anybody was whining...ever... I just think you acted kinda shady. I have trouble believing you or anybody in your guilds leadership really did not know those rules.

Grats again on your kill though. As much as I wanted to slay that big red fag, I'm happy for you guys.

[Ranger1930]

I NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS GAME EVER EVER EVER EVER SAW GMS STEP IN ON PLAYER RAIDS.

Never on Xegony did this every happen. Not even when we woke up the sleeper . Even then they just waited till he wiped all the zones then they killed him and that was it.

Raids were just madness., you got your people there and you engaged them mob when you engaged it. if someone else came up with the people and attacked it before your raid did you got pissed and hoped they wiped.

Petitioning to a GM about it would result to him/her telling you tough luck.

These people coming up with all this rediculous speculations and time lines and 60 second roll galls. A 60 second roll call? WHat dumb ass started that idea. It takes me longer than 60 econds to take a piss.

Thats a joke. a 30 - 45 minute time window to put up or shut is one thing but that crap about swiping and taking stuff because of a 60 second Rollcall rule is horseshit.. If they gonna engage the mob in 60 seconds whether a raid is there before them or not they just need to man up engage it then loot their crap like the buncha dickheads they are and take the bad PR while not trying to make the other raid feel bad cause they in a Big F'n hurry to be the first ones no matter what.

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Ranger1930 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS GAME EVER EVER EVER EVER SAW GMS STEP IN ON PLAYER RAIDS.

I've seen it several times. Do we cancel each other out?

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've seen it several times. I guess we cancel each other out

[Toony]

Sorry for double post.