Critical Suggestions for Raid Rules

[G13]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I have heard from friends in other guilds is that most people just refuse to drop to that level of long term stupid over gimp raid targets that will be 90% obsolete when Kunark comes out

So if none of this content matters why are you people bitching about what people are doing to kill it? It's their business. You guys wrote the rules as well, which makes the current situation even more ironic.

It's not even about the mobs anyways, but the guild VS guild rivalries.

But you wouldn't know that. Since you don't raid here.

[Uaellaen]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if none of this content matters why are you people bitching about what people are doing to kill it? It's their business. You guys wrote the rules as well, which makes the current situation even more ironic.

It's not even about the mobs anyways, but the guild VS guild rivalries.

But you wouldn't know that. Since you don't raid here.

neither do you, you AFK camp ...

[odizzido]

I think the main problem is that people can afk it. If there was some way to verify that people camping the mob were actually there at their computers at all times things would be better.

My suggestion:

I think that the current rule set it okay minus one thing. A role call should be allowed at any time and if the other guild doesn't meet it they are bumped to 2nd place in line.

Obviously a restriction on how often this can be done needs to be in, like three or four times an hour. The reason I say 3-4 times an hour is because you should be allowed to role call, then 2mins later do it again just to catch people who try to pop out to 7/11 or whatever.

That way if people want to hold the spawn they can't go afk like they do now. At least 15 people have to have be within one min of their computer at all times to hold it. If they can manage that then the enjoyment I get knowing people devote their lives to camping raid mob loot that wont matter when kunark comes out easily makes up for anything else.

Oh one more thing...I think a role call shouldn't just be a '1' or whatever typed into chat all the time. If one guild wants them to type something else out to check for answer bots they should be allowed.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Uaellaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

neither do you, you AFK camp ...

So are you saying I need to be "raiding" when the raid boss hasn't spawned? Excellent logic. Next you'll be telling me that Remedy "raids" when it clears planar trash over and over.



Removed the flaminess, chill.

[G13]

Originally Posted by odizzido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the main problem is that people can afk it. If there was some way to verify that people camping the mob were actually there at their computers at all times things would be better.

My suggestion:

I think that the current rule set it okay minus one thing. A role call should be allowed at any time and if the other guild doesn't meet it they are bumped to 2nd place in line.

Obviously a restriction on how often this can be done needs to be in, like three or four times an hour. The reason I say 3-4 times an hour is because you should be allowed to role call, then 2mins later do it again just to catch people who try to pop out to 7/11 or whatever.

That way if people want to hold the spawn they can't go afk like they do now. At least 15 people have to have be within one min of their computer at all times to hold it. If they can manage that then the enjoyment I get knowing people devote their lives to camping raid mob loot that wont matter when kunark comes out easily makes up for anything else.

Oh one more thing...I think a role call shouldn't just be a '1' or whatever typed into chat all the time. If one guild wants them to type something else out to check for answer bots they should be allowed.

If no boss is up it doesn't matter. As soon as the boss spawns any guild with a force of 15 can roll call you, and yes, you have 1 minute to have 15 people say they are at their keyboards.

[Aeolwind]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can say that right now..it will be 1. DA/IB/WI/Divinity are all currently perma camping Vox/Inny/Nagafen/CT. You can bet that as soon as a dragon/god dies that guild will not leave to go try and get in on Vox...they will stay right there and keep camping the boss until a guild offers to swap.

lol, you realize this is a rotation right? The only difference is that you all leave your characters online for days on end.

This stuff can't go on forever, folks will burn out and move on, rinse & repeat. I have an idea, let me chat with Nilbog. I think I can satiate both sides here.

[Skope]

The point is, sitting there for 5 days before that eventually happens shouldn't be a guaranteed first shot, especially considering that this was never the intent when making the rules initially and abusing that loophole is now the only strategy that guilds have to put another notch in their belt.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is, sitting there for 5 days before that eventually happens shouldn't be a guaranteed first shot, especially considering that this was never the intent when making the rules initially and abusing that loophole is now the only strategy that guilds have to put another notch in their belt.

Sitting there for 5 days right now doesn't guarantee you first shot either.

It's not abusing a damn thing either. The rules are there. Stated clearly. Everything you see was considered which is why there are things like "Roll Calls" and "Timers".

[Loke]

Originally Posted by odizzido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the main problem is that people can afk it. If there was some way to verify that people camping the mob were actually there at their computers at all times things would be better.

So you actually want to make it more tedious and difficult to camp mobs? Then when people do that you're just going to complain more.

I love how people get all up in arms when someone says something negative about their guild like that they aren't getting mobs - but people have no problem throwing around these ridiculous unfounded generalities about IB and DA poopsocking. Yea, having your character in game afk for most of the day is really really time consuming /boggle. I mean, it's not like I can do home work, cook dinner, work out, read, watch tv, or anything else while my character sits immobile in permafrost or something... oh wait.

[Skope]

It's been stated, many times actually, that nobody thought people were crazy enough to sit there for 5 days to claim a single spawn. You need only look back in this thread or roll back thru the other threads to see for yourself.