Critical Suggestions for Raid Rules

[RKromwell]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This really does need to happen, if only for 1 week.

Put the finish line in Qeynos.

[rioisk]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is already part of the current raid rules as written. Roll call. Timer. Nothing is stopping anyone from calling a timer and a roll call/applying pressure to any guild that is camping a spawn. Nobody ever does it though. I don't see Remedy druids tracking spawns for their guild to come apply any pressure to IB or DA. I don't see it from Divinity either. Oh that's right. By the time the boss spawns, and they send out a batphone that probably won't be answered anyways, IB or DA have cleared to the target and killed it. There have been plenty of times where IB or DA has called and the guild who has claim has 30 minutes to buff/clear to target and kill. There has been times when both guilds failed. You people are acting like shit spawns and the "poopsockers" lazily waltz to the target and kill it. Maybe if you actually were THERE when shit was spawning and IB or DA was killing it, you'd know you have no idea WTF you are talking about and that isn't the way it works. When shit spawns you have to mobilize, buff, clear, and do it efficiently. There is no room for error when another guild is applying pressure.



This is stupid. You people are trying to penalize guilds that prioritize ahead of time because frankly, you don't want to do it. Everyone is trying to make all these new convoluted solutions that ignore the obvious. 5 raid targets. 900 people on the server. Spawn variance. If you want to kill raid targets, you need to be there, in force, when they spawn. Otherwise you aren't getting jack shit. Now you can label that "poopsocking" fine, whatever floats your boat, but those guilds are killing bosses and you are not.

I don't really understand why the guilds that have put in the effort and time to guarantee their guild gets to experience the raid targets on this server should be penalized because a bunch of scrubs now want their cake and to eat it too. Not one guild has even put in 5% effort to try and use a little tactics and strategy with the current raid rules in place to try to get mobs. It doesn't even require camping a damn thing either. That's what so pathetic about it. You people want to claim that camping doesn't take any effort, yet you have never put in the initiative yourselves to out smart the campers.

That's a lot of words to say "I devote my life to Project 1999 raiding" I especially like how you call the people who don't poopsock scrubs. I especially like "use a little tactics and strategy" part. What tactics and strategy? You make it sound like the people getting raid bosses are some elite bunch who have major skill that allows them to kill these mobs? The only difficulty and skill in anything you do is devoting your life to the game.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by RKromwell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Put the finish line in Qeynos.

finish line should be paineel silly

[rioisk]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is already part of the current raid rules as written. Roll call. Timer. Nothing is stopping anyone from calling a timer and a roll call/applying pressure to any guild that is camping a spawn. Nobody ever does it though. I don't see Remedy druids tracking spawns for their guild to come apply any pressure to IB or DA. I don't see it from Divinity either. Oh that's right. By the time the boss spawns, and they send out a batphone that probably won't be answered anyways, IB or DA have cleared to the target and killed it. There have been plenty of times where IB or DA has called and the guild who has claim has 30 minutes to buff/clear to target and kill. There has been times when both guilds failed. You people are acting like shit spawns and the "poopsockers" lazily waltz to the target and kill it. Maybe if you actually were THERE when shit was spawning and IB or DA was killing it, you'd know you have no idea WTF you are talking about and that isn't the way it works. When shit spawns you have to mobilize, buff, clear, and do it efficiently. There is no room for error when another guild is applying pressure.



This is stupid. You people are trying to penalize guilds that prioritize ahead of time because frankly, you don't want to do it. Everyone is trying to make all these new convoluted solutions that ignore the obvious. 5 raid targets. 900 people on the server. Spawn variance. If you want to kill raid targets, you need to be there, in force, when they spawn. Otherwise you aren't getting jack shit. Now you can label that "poopsocking" fine, whatever floats your boat, but those guilds are killing bosses and you are not.

I don't really understand why the guilds that have put in the effort and time to guarantee their guild gets to experience the raid targets on this server should be penalized because a bunch of scrubs now want their cake and to eat it too. Not one guild has even put in 5% effort to try and use a little tactics and strategy with the current raid rules in place to try to get mobs. It doesn't even require camping a damn thing either. That's what so pathetic about it. You people want to claim that camping doesn't take any effort, yet you have never put in the initiative yourselves to out smart the campers.

haha efficient

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now you can label that "poopsocking" fine, whatever floats your boat, but those guilds are killing bosses and you are not.

What I have heard from friends in other guilds is that most people just refuse to drop to that level of long term stupid over gimp raid targets that will be 90% obsolete when Kunark comes out

[Humwawa]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I have heard from friends in other guilds is that most people just refuse to drop to that level of long term stupid over gimp raid targets that will be 90% obsolete when Kunark comes out

If that's the case, then why does anyone care?

They very obviously do, though.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If that's the case, then why does anyone care?

They very obviously do, though.

Because some would still like to enjoy the raiding aspect of the game and try a dragon/raid target without clearing their schedule for a week to do so I imagine

[Chicka]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because some would still like to enjoy the raiding aspect of the game and try a dragon/raid target without clearing their schedule for a week to do so I imagine

Wow is definitely a game you would enjoy.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by Chicka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow is definitely a game you would enjoy.

I sure did, for a few months until I got bored. I'm not bandwagon enough to state otherwise, it was a game that appealed to pretty much every playstyle known to MMO's from PvP to casual to hardcore. I give em props for creating something that is still the number 1 mmo today, and most of the people I raided with were mature and attentive. Wtf does that have to do with anything? I think most of the hate is simply because regardless of what you do in wow, you are still just a small fish in a really fucking big pond.

Didn't stop me from playing end game EQ from 99 through PoP or so, and I've never saw half the issues yall got. Server vs server competition is where the fun is at.

[Humwawa]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because some would still like to enjoy the raiding aspect of the game and try a dragon/raid target without clearing their schedule for a week to do so I imagine

Nobody wants to just "try" a dragon or god. Asking an officer of any of the current guilds to attend a raid simply to see and remember the glory days of Classic EQ would probably be greeted with a warm response. Almost all of us raid for nostalgia's sake, and I think we're all human enough to empathize with the feeling.

This is not at all about just wanting to "see" a dragon or god. Not at all. End game content has always been dominated by a few guilds, on every server in the game. What seems to be in question here, from what I can tell, is whether that dominance is deserved.