Current Sky Schedule

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Talking about 2 different concepts.



You suggested guild leaders should talk to each-other to solve the problem of sky rotation as well as to generally get in the habit of working together like people do in the real world.

The sky rot sharing would be a step towards the 2nd part where guilds work together and cooporate.

The solving the raid schedule thing is something I do not see getting resolved. There is no plan in place for which a sit down could be utilized to hammer out the details, all we have is a problem. Just because you put 7 people in a room doesn't mean anything gets resolved. For a meeting to really function there needs to be a plan in place or ideas on the table to be agreed upon/discussed.

Problem: 10 guilds want to raid sky and there are 7 days in a week.
Suggested solution 1: 2 raids/day
Suggest solution 2: rolling rotation, ie guild 1 goes on day 1 then again on the 11th day.

Each of these bring up a new problem in that #1 implies people can raid mid day on week days and #2 implies people who have been raiding every 7 days on a specific day are going to accept raiding once every 10 days instead as well as well as having the day of the week change constantly.

Seems like neither of these are really ideal because they both raise significant issues.

Last post from me in this thread as I'm getting burned out and feel like I'm just saying the same thing cyclically:

Here's a question for you, Halmir. Now that you've labeled some problems and solutions that might follow with some corresponding problems. What are you and everyone else going to do about it?

Doing nothing and just waiting has been the status quo of the bulk of people on this thread ever since FE first indicated they wanted to do Sky. Things have gotten even more crowded now that IB wants to do sky. In my opinion, doing nothing hasn't worked too well as indicated by the conflict between A-Team and Full Circle with IB.

The sky rots notifications Loraen came up with is a really cool idea, but it is a separate idea that doesn't solve the problem of the number of guilds wanting to raid sky and stepping on each other.

I offered my idea of people getting together to talk thing outs, but I'm sure with the many minds in all the guilds involved in this, someone must have an idea of a possible solution with some merit. Just doing nothing after admitting there is a problem seems to be the worst solution to me.

[Lyra]

The schedule to accommodate more guilds would be slightly more complicated, but not impossible.

Guilds would need to be slightly more flexible.

Currently there are 10 time slots - 10 guilds

If you added two more guilds 10 time slots -> 12 guilds per week

That would mean in a 6 week period 60 time slots -> 12 guilds = 5 time slots in 6 weeks per guild.

So once ever 6 weeks each guild would miss 1 sky time slot.

This plan would require guilds to have at least two availability slots. For someone with production planning or staff scheduling skills, this would be simple.

This is just ONE solution. There are others. Let your creativity flow!

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a question for you, Halmir. Now that you've labeled some problems and solutions that might follow with some corresponding problems. What are you and everyone else going to do about it?

Honestly?

Tentative schedule moving forward (as of 06/26/2013)

Sunday - AM - TMO, PM - A-Team
Monday - Rapture
Tuesday - FC
Wednesday - Early EST - Europa, Late EST - Divinity
Thursday - Taken
Friday - BDA
Saturday - AM/ early PM - FE, Late PM - Azure Guard

If IB is okay with raiding early on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday then there is an easy slot for them that doesn't require a ton of server-wide coordination.

If I understand the respawn timers correctly Bee is the longest respawn at 8 hours so that means the only coordination IB has to do is figure out what guild raids later on the day they want to go and figure out how to make sure there is an 8 hour window.

It sounds like Full Circle had previously never killed bee? I am sure after the nerf they can, but if they cannot kill bee then that window is only 6 hours because I believe that is the respawn for everything else (again, correct me if I am wrong).

I know we (rapture) raid at 6PM Central time, so if IB wanted to raid on Monday without messing us up at all they would have to be up there at 10am Central time. Maybe we could push that back an hour? No idea. All I know from a Rapture point of view is that we are capable of and generally do clear every isle every week including bee & eye.

Now to be completely blunt, if another guild decides to be an up & comer and wants in on the rotation their choices are basically 1) early 2) buddy up with another guild to go with.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now to be completely blunt, if another guild decides to be an up & comer and wants in on the rotation their choices are basically 1) early 2) buddy up with another guild to go with.

Debating if I should be blunt with you. What day do you go again?

[Sarius]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now to be completely blunt, if another guild decides to be an up & comer and wants in on the rotation their choices are basically 1) early 2) buddy up with another guild to go with.

This is the attitude that leads people to get their sky day jacked. Just because a guild is late to the party does not mean that they must raid AM when nobody is online or with another guild. Lyra had the right idea, there needs to be a shifting schedule.

[salimoneus]

Maybe there are just too many medium-sized raiding guilds on this server. Maybe some need to join forces or even merge in order to avoid conflict. Conflict isn't necessarily bad though, it's just like the rest of evolution, survival of the fittest (and often times ruthless). That's life.

[Handull]

Bees and Eye: 12 hour repop
Everything else that matters: 8 hour repop

The biggest problem with a variable time slot rotation is that it takes extra effort to recorpse keys, which rot after 7 days.

[Sarius]

How about a rotation that slides backwards, essentially a 6-day rotation? For example:

Week 1:
Mon: Rapture
Tue: BDA
Wed:TMO
Thu: A-Team
Fri:Europa
Sat AM: Taken
Sat PM: Divinity
Sun AM:Forceful
Sun PM: FC

On Deck:
1) AG
2) IB
3) Prenerf

Week 2:
Mon: BDA
Tue: TMO
Wed: A-Team
Thu: Europa
Fri: Taken
Sat AM: Divinity
Sat PM: Forceful
Sun AM:FC
Sun PM: AG

On Deck:
1) IB
2) Prenerf
3) Rapture

This is just a rough idea, but it could work. As far as rekeying, a guild would have one week to work with guilds on any day to loot and key corpses for their upcoming sunday PM raid.

Speacial considerations would have to be made for Europa, but i'm sure yall smart enough to figure it out.

While guilds would have to sit out for 3 weeks (less if more AM slots were created), they would be able to raid for 9 weeks without having to worry about re-keying.

Thoughts?

[Dentalplan]

Here's a solution that I think could work well for everyone:

Each week one guild takes a week off from raiding sky and gives IB their spot. IB raids during this rotating slot in the schedule and also takes a week off every 10 weeks to keep things equitable. This accomplishes the same thing as an 8 day cycle and doesn't screw up the 7 day setup that works well for keeping corpse banks for keys.

IB should also get the next permanent raiding slot that opens up due to guild merger, lack of interest in sky, etc.

So it would look like this:

Week 1: Sky schedule as normal, IB does not raid sky
Week 2: Rapture's week off. IB Monday
Week 3: FC's week off. IB Tuesday
Week 4: Divinity's week off. IB Wednesday PM
Week 5: Taken's week off. IB Thursday
Week 6: BDA's week off. IB Friday
Week 7: FE's week off. IB Saturday AM
Week 8: AG's week off. IB Saturday PM
Week 9: TMO's week off. IB Sunday AM
Week 10: A-Team's week off. IB Sunday PM

[Sarius]

IB would have to rekey every week with that scenario. Prenerf is also looking to enter the rotation.