Mob run speed?

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally love bards. If I ever see one lfg I try and get them invited if we have room. The bards I know are awesome players. I couldn't play one don't have the patience or desire to.

That said when xping and finding every mob I have been pulling or even trying to pull missing and then seeing them go by in mass it is frustrating. It isn't envy at the bards ability to kill it all. It is annoyance at the bard pulling everything whether someone else is there or not. Then the fact that you have the few with the arrogance enough to rub your face in it.

In the end I don't remember ever seeing bards in vanilla-Kunark kiting whole zones or even half of zones. I know the first I remember on wide scale was in I think Legacy of Ykesha I think it was either Port of Gunthrak or Harbor of Dulak that bards started kiting all the mobs.

As a bard currently leveling I have always tried to provide mobs to areas that i know groups are in and when someone sends me a tell asking me if they can be left mobs i usually note the area and leave it be. But, there are definitely times where i have done that and people still complain even though i leave PLENTY of mobs up for a solo act to kill and have more up by the respawn timer. People in general just hate bards because they are bards and they have a way to pull large amounts of mobs and survive. People will complain no matter what.

[integrable]

Originally Posted by Naprox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I invite you to pull out your dial up modem and play on that 486 pc that you played EQ on back in 1999 as well then.

Played on a pentium IV with 512 MB Ram and a Gforce256 and a T1 connection I would have large fps drops when having to render more than 30 or 40 models. I had to look at the floor in the bazaar in luclin with that setup not even running most of the luclin models. Dont try and tell me a casual setup could support rendering 100 moving models. Gonna call bs on you also.

[Valtiel]

I agree with what is being said here. More staring at the floor during the long hours of LFG would bring back a more classic experience.

[integrable]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could swarm a zone on a $150 video card in 2001, and more like a $250-600 card in 1999-2000. Already backed this statement up with proof above.

That article is typical computer magazine graphics card hype. It tells you what the card can do when its overclocked perfectly and running off like a fucking linux operating system on a setup with what may as well be an infinite amount of RAM for the cpu. IDC that a graphics card can run Quake 3 Arena at 60fps under those circumstances. A game like Quake is going to have fewer models and textures and smaller zones than EQ, doesn't require nearly as much to be kept in the virtual memory of the card, and is not going to need as high a frequency or bit rate for data transfer. And I cant remember playing Quake with anywhere near 50 models on my screen at once.

And I already admitted to being wrong about the pricing. I couldn't remember the price of card, but inflation hasn't changed much so i thought it might be similar to today. Regardless I ran a Pentium IV with 512MB ram and a 128 MB card and the setup couldn't handle anywhere near 100 models. I still have the computer too. Maybe I'll mail it too you and you can try swarming on your Bard if you are really so confident it can handle it.

[Lady Julae]

Originally Posted by ECDubz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for posting this. People have to realize that bard swarming IS in fact classic we can just do it better now because of the upgrade in technology since it's time. I agree with this post entirely.

Bard kiting IS classic, but I do not think the SOE developers meant for them to kite more than 4 mobs at a time. It was dang near impossible back in 99 due to internet limits. As a poster mentioned before, bards trying to kite like 20 or so mobs would crash.

I play a bard myself, and I do not kite more than 4, just out of courtesy. That said, just because technology allows one to kite 20+ mobs now, doesn't mean that is the classic intent of the original vision of EQ back in 1999. So if the P99 devs intended to speed the mobs up due to excessive bard kiting, I applaud that, however, other classes are suffering and a different solution needs to be implemented, such as maybe bards incur no aggro from mobs if they are causing damage/being aggroed by four mobs at once.

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by Lady Julae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard kiting IS classic, but I do not think the SOE developers meant for them to kite more than 4 mobs at a time. It was dang near impossible back in 99 due to internet limits. As a poster mentioned before, bards trying to kite like 20 or so mobs would crash.

I play a bard myself, and I do not kite more than 4, just out of courtesy. That said, just because technology allows one to kite 20+ mobs now, doesn't mean that is the classic intent of the original vision of EQ back in 1999. So if the P99 devs intended to speed the mobs up due to excessive bard kiting, I applaud that, however, other classes are suffering and a different solution needs to be implemented, such as maybe bards incur no aggro from mobs if they are causing damage/being aggroed by four mobs at once.

Yes, they need to make it in a way not affect other classes. But, if the community wants the P99 Developers to enforce something like maximum number of mobs a bard can kite then that needs to be stated in the Play Nice Policy or the server rules instead of people getting mad and posting on the forums about how unfair it is. Its causing too much drama and unnecessary hate towards bards as a class and making them hated just because of their class choice shouldn't be part of our community.

[Halius]

I've never had a bad experience with a bard and I also do not play a bard. It just seems to me that trying to nerf them because of advances in computers is just dumb. The fact is the mechanics were there in Classic, our PCs just couldn't handle it. It's the same as someone arguing that you shouldn't be using cable as that makes you play better. It seems to me if they are going to nerf bards for something they COULD do in classic, then they might as well limit all our bandwidths to 56k when we connect to the server, that sounds like a lot of fun.

[Valtiel]

Wasn't actually a nerf, was just an error in the patch which has been corrected and yet to be deployed. People just got all excited because of the bard jealousy.

[Halius]

Originally Posted by Halius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never had a bad experience with a bard and I also do not play a bard. It just seems to me that trying to nerf them because of advances in computers is just dumb. The fact is the mechanics were there in Classic, our PCs just couldn't handle it. It's the same as someone arguing that you shouldn't be using cable as that makes you play better. It seems to me if they are going to nerf bards for something they COULD do in classic, then they might as well limit all our bandwidths to 56k when we connect to the server (assuming that is possible), that sounds like a lot of fun.

Damn edit button, didn't mean to quote just meant to edit my above post.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by integrable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That article is typical computer magazine graphics card hype. It tells you what the card can do when its overclocked perfectly and running off like a fucking linux operating system on a setup with what may as well be an infinite amount of RAM for the cpu. IDC that a graphics card can run Quake 3 Arena at 60fps under those circumstances. A game like Quake is going to have fewer models and textures and smaller zones than EQ, doesn't require nearly as much to be kept in the virtual memory of the card, and is not going to need as high a frequency or bit rate for data transfer. And I cant remember playing Quake with anywhere near 50 models on my screen at once.

And I already admitted to being wrong about the pricing. I couldn't remember the price of card, but inflation hasn't changed much so i thought it might be similar to today. Regardless I ran a Pentium IV with 512MB ram and a 128 MB card and the setup couldn't handle anywhere near 100 models. I still have the computer too. Maybe I'll mail it too you and you can try swarming on your Bard if you are really so confident it can handle it.

I actually play on a laptop I bought in 2002, never had a problem swarming on P99.