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How you feel about regen vs. stats?
Hi all. I have a paladin who I often solo with, but once in a while I will join groups.
[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Dwarven Plate Breastplate [Brell Serilis] MAGIC ITEM Slot: CHEST AC: 30 STR: +8 STA: +10 WIS: +4 SV FIRE: +5 WT: 11.5 Size: LARGE Class: WAR CLR PAL Race: DWF HFL GNM Deity: Brell Serilis These are my two options. Which, in your opinions, should I go with? Thanks in advance | ||
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brell while fighting, iksar bp while not?
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good suggestion. thanks!
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get fungi + manastone for full cleradin immersion
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too poor for that :*(
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So I did a test for Sakuragi where 1 item AC = 6.5HP for CH, i.e. a warrior with 5000hp/1000AC and a warrior with 5650hp/900AC will require complete heals at about the same rate.
Let's assume you're fighting unslowed mobs which put out 25 dps roughly, and that you have 4000HP with shaman buffs as a paladin who isn't max level. 11AC ~= 65hp so you'll be CHed 1.5% less often or you'll take 1.5% less damage. 1.5% of 25 dps is .375 dps, or about 2-2.5 damage per tick. Meanwhile the BP is healing you 5/tick. Clear win. Now let's say you magically discover Hagglebaron's stash and get a fungi. 15 hp/tick is 2.5hp/second which is 10% less damage. That would require 400 hp equivalent or about 60 raw AC. Which means that even a cobalt BP (+25AC, +140HP) is clearly worse than a fungi tunic for group tanking. Of course, the more damage/second you are taking the higher the impact of AC. So if you are taking 150 dps from say the Overking than the fungi is absorbing 1/60 of your damage, 4000/60 = 65HP equivalent, and suddenly your BP is almost identical in effectiveness. Anyway just some back of the envelope calculations. I haven't really done good tests on the effectiveness of AC at high levels, probably because my iksar warrior can't even get about 1k without a shield [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Great insightful maths man, appreciate the effort.
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That math Splorf posted, will only work if you remain on one side of the fence or the other for the mob the whole time, so keep your ac comfortably high and then toss in stats here and there as you need, you'll know if you go too far down in ac because you will suddenly become very squishy against the mobs your level and need to swap out some of that stat gear for ac gear. Edit: Replied without ever answering your original question sorry. I'd say use the regen bp while soloing, and the plate bp while grouping, the bp provides not just 11 AC more, but Strength, stamina, and wisdom, all stats you can and will put to good use in a group.
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Wow, thanks for all the great posts guys.
And yeah Splorf. Well done [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Ive got all Dwarven Plate gear. But when soloing I like to have a larger mana pool and would prefer to hit harder. I guess I can try stacking AC with all the Deepwater I have banked (all pieces but legs and BP) Its just a shame to see all those stats sitting in bags [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] But I guess they are overrated? | ||
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Regen is simply a ridiculous stat. On Sakuragi with iksar regen+fungi tunic clerics would never complain about my tankability - they would complain about my shitty aggro with 125 dex unbuffed and sarnak warhammer/silken whip vs all the epic monks and rogues [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Two other things: I did forget to add the effect of stamina for the CH. It's probably another 45-50 hp which makes the dwarven bp a lot closer (but still slightly worse). Also all of these tests are based on Sakuragi fighting the undead foreman in OT (i.e. a reasonable xp mob at 60). It's a linear approximation. Here is the actual data. "AC: 1053 Max: 140 (10.0%) Min: 32 (15.7%) Avg: 79. AvgDI: 80. PredDI: 86. Z: 0.43 ATK: 1857" "AC: 1016 Max: 140 (8.0%) Min: 32 (22.7%) Avg: 76. AvgDI: 84. PredDI: 86. Z: 0.41 ATK: 1725" "AC: 960 Max: 140 (12.1%) Min: 32 (18.2%) Avg: 83. AvgDI: 86. PredDI: 86. Z: 0.47 ATK: 1807" "AC: 874 Max: 140 (24.7%) Min: 32 (8.6%) Avg: 91. AvgDI: 81. PredDI: 86. Z: 0.55 ATK: 1944" "AC: 1040 Max: 325 (42.3%) Min: 110 (3.8%) Avg: 253. AvgDI: 207. PredDI: 218. Z: 0.66 ATK: 3103" "AC: 1040 Max: 217 (48.6%) Min: 110 (0.0%) Avg: 192. AvgDI: 169. PredDI: 164. Z: 0.77 ATK: 4515" "AC: 1040 Max: 325 (50.8%) Min: 110 (0.0%) Avg: 274. AvgDI: 220. PredDI: 218. Z: 0.76 ATK: 4348" "AC: 1060 Max: 217 (41.7%) Min: 110 (0.0%) Avg: 186. AvgDI: 164. PredDI: 164. Z: 0.71 ATK: 3693" "AC: 680 Max: 140 (19.6%) Min: 32 (7.8%) Avg: 89. AvgDI: 81. PredDI: 86. Z: 0.52 ATK: 1427" "AC: 593 Max: 140 (20.5%) Min: 32 (9.4%) Avg: 93. AvgDI: 87. PredDI: 86. Z: 0.56 ATK: 1360" "AC: 702 Max: 140 (18.8%) Min: 32 (14.1%) Avg: 87. AvgDI: 84. PredDI: 86. Z: 0.51 ATK: 1443" "AC: 515 Max: 140 (23.3%) Min: 32 (10.3%) Avg: 93. AvgDI: 86. PredDI: 86. Z: 0.57 ATK: 1184" The ones in the middle with 110 are Sakuragi vs Overking Bathezid (some are with defensive and some with evasive). The ones at the end are Loraen vs the undead foreman. You can see that the data is still pretty noisy. Also not pictured here but AC seems to affect the NPCs chances to miss as well. Last point: I can see why people don't think AC works correctly on this server. My enchanter with 700 AC gets hit for max 20% of the time, min 10% of the time, and randomly in the damage interval 70% of the time. My warrior with 1050 AC gets hit for max 10% of the time, min 20% of the time, and randomly in the damage interval 70% of the time. So the only difference is that 10% of those max hits become min hits. And on my warrior I only take maybe 15% less damage per swing than on my enchanter.
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