stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[EvilMallet]

founding fathers were profiteers who wanted to break off from the british to avoid taxes, and they lived in an era where owning a gun was your only method of protecting yourself and getting food.

Those men supported your right to bear arms because it meant you were very likely to kill some redcoats.

[Hasbinlulz]

Fuck all that, what does The Bible say?

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fuck all that, what does The Bible say?

I thought you were leaving?

[Hitchens]

The Founding Fathers were a monolithic group of Agrarian Holy Men who should be worshiped as saints. Their supernatural abilities as God-Men allowed them to understand the complexities of an urban society.

[philbertpk]

You must be reading some lib-tard BS man.

True, the founding fathers were land owning-slave owning white guys who re-wrote John Locke's Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Land to Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness because they obviously wanted to keep the class structure intact which would be viewed as oligarchical today.

But ill be dammed if they didn't write the ability for the people to revolt if ever needed into the Constitution. The right to bare arms is based on the thought that a well armed populace was the best way to deter the government from stepping on the rights on citizens not so that as many people as possible could keep guns to kill redcoats. You under informed Marxist. Go back to commy land Pinky.

Im not saying we should hold those men up on a pedestal and call them Gods, but damn. Im a damn moderate but I Know better than this BS your spewing. Go get an education.

[EvilMallet]

Originally Posted by philbertpk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But ill be dammed if they didn't write the ability for the people to revolt if ever needed into the Constitution. The right to bare arms is based on the thought that a well armed populace was the best way to deter the government from stepping on the rights on citizens not so that as many people as possible could keep guns to kill redcoats. You under informed Marxist. Go back to commy land Pinky.

You fucking retard.

The people at large wanted to revolt because they didn't want to pay taxes for a war that had no part of (The Seven Years War, maybe you've heard of it?). They wanted people to have guns to increase the power of their militias, because that pretty much was the only military force we had. We don't have a militia now. We have military. You don't need guns , unless you plan on fighting our own soldiers, in which case:

Originally Posted by philbertpk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go back to commie land Pinky

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by EvilMallet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You fucking retard.

The people at large wanted to revolt because they didn't want to pay taxes for a war that had no part of (The Seven Years War, maybe you've heard of it?). They wanted people to have guns to increase the power of their militias, because that pretty much was the only military force we had. We don't have a militia now. We have military. You don't need guns , unless you plan on fighting our own soldiers, in which case:

The Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791. The Revolutionary War ended with the Treaty of Paris in 1783.

The Second Amendment is wholly unrelated to the needs of the Revolutionary War. They didn't want an armed populace in order to defeat the British -- they already had defeated them. By 1784, the US had already established Regular Army infantry regiments. By 1791, the US had established a trained standing army.

Militia and armed populace was seen as a defense against tyranny and a guarantor of liberty. That may or may not be accurate, but that was the vision.

[Faron]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791. The Revolutionary War ended with the Treaty of Paris in 1783.

The Second Amendment is wholly unrelated to the needs of the Revolutionary War. They didn't want an armed populace in order to defeat the British -- they already had defeated them. By 1784, the US had already established Regular Army infantry regiments. By 1791, the US had established a trained standing army.

Militia and armed populace was seen as a defense against tyranny and a guarantor of liberty. That may or may not be accurate, but that was the vision.

A+ Good post would read again. Whenever this topic pops up on any forum, it is filled with untrue nonsense that ill informed people regurgitate because they like the sound of it. The reality is that the Amendment has nothing to do with hunting or sport. It was not written with fine print saying to toss it out once firearms technology reached a certain threshold. It was 100% a statement of trust between the people and the government - as you said, a defense against tyranny and guarantor of liberty.

[Vadd]

Originally Posted by EvilMallet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You fucking retard.

WE don't have a militia now. The Government has a military. You don't need guns , unless you plan on fighting for what's yours in the event they try to take it.

[Happyfeet]

Originally Posted by EvilMallet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You fucking retard.

The people at large wanted to revolt because they didn't want to pay taxes for a war that had no part of (The Seven Years War, maybe you've heard of it?). They wanted people to have guns to increase the power of their militias, because that pretty much was the only military force we had. We don't have a militia now. We have military. You don't need guns , unless you plan on fighting our own soldiers, in which case:

Who the fuck is going to save us from criminals with guns? You think we should disarm every citizen? GTFO.
Hello 911, there's someone in my house with a gun. BRT in 6 minutes! Oh, too late.