Rogue offhand weps: high dmg or high ratio?

[godbox]

I think title is self explanatory. I heard conflicting things from people I asked in game so I will just phrase the question real quick and any feedback or debate would be welcome =)

since double attack doesn't go off every round does weapon speed (i.e. i high dmg ratio wep) really matter as much or is it better to go for something that when it lands you know it lands.

to further simplify it:
Seb croaking dirk vs green jade axe for offhand?

[canker]

ratio

[godbox]

can you explain the reasoning for that. like I said I got mixed messages some people said ratio, although i didnt understand why speed is as important in offhand and others said high dmg

[canker]

ratio doesn't necessarily mean speed. it means the highest number possible when dividing damage by delay.

it all comes down to averages. over time, the better ratio offhand will provide higher dps than the high damage one with a worse ratio.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by godbox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

can you explain the reasoning for that. like I said I got mixed messages some people said ratio, although i didnt understand why speed is as important in offhand and others said high dmg

Some people think that offhands only have a chance to attack when the mainhand attacks. So those people try to use fast mainhands and high-damage offhands, thinking that they will get more chances for their offhand to hit hard.

They don't understand how dualwield works though. Dualwield causes your offhand to swing independently of your mainhand, whenever you have autoattack on. Because of this, the best ratio possible should be used in offhand so that you can get the best damage over time whenever dualwield does work (again, it works or doesn't work on it's own, based off the offhand weapon's delay) to cause offhand swings.

No damage bonus on offhand, so faster offhands don't do more damage just because they are fast. When you have the choice, as a rogue, I'd go with the slowest weapon possible that has the best ratio for your offhand. Faster weapons contribute to push, which generally annoys me because it makes me have to reposition for BS more often but can be nice when it interrupts spellcasters, but slower weapons cause you to take less damage from damage shields and when you are being faced by the mob they cause you to get riposted somewhat less also.


SCD has the best ratio in a droppable I believe, apart from edge of the nightwalker which is the same ratio with better stats but at 6-7x the price.

[webrunner5]

I think the Seb croaking dirk is too fast of a weapon for a Rogue. Draws too much agro. I like to stick with weapons that have around a 24 Delay just like the Epic has 25 delay. Fast enough but less agro. And yes, best ratio. But best ratio weapons work out as the most damage so they go hand and hand.

[godbox]

tecmos you said slowest possible with best ratio but then said scd which is crazy fast so was your opinion that scd>gja or the other way around.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by godbox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tecmos you said slowest possible with best ratio but then said scd which is crazy fast so was your opinion that scd>gja or the other way around.

The main priority imo is the ratio. What I meant was if you have 2 different weapons that are both .56 ratio for your offhand, but one has a higher delay... then use the higher delay.

SCD is a no-brainer over the axe for me, especially since even though people talk about faster being more aggro, I've never seen any real proof of this.

[godbox]

gotcha thanks a bunch

[Tecmos Deception]

And unless someone who says "faster = more aggro" has proof, just ignore them. I've never ever ever seen anyone offer any hard proof that doing damage with more frequent, smaller hits generates MORE aggro than less frequent, larger hits. It is a valid argument that lower delay tends to mean more even thread per time, but that's not the same thing.