NPC Spawn Issue: Sontalak's Molten Breath wasn't a proc, it was every 12 sec (with in-era video proof)

[CrazyPro]

In this video from classic you can see by this cleric's top slot jboots junk buff being dispelled, the molten breath AE goes out exactly every 12 seconds. On p99 it goes out WAY more than this due to it seemingly being a proc?

The fear on P99 may also be going out way more than it should too.

On p99 100 people with full raid buffs would be running around feared and getting absolutely melted, yet in this classic footage people seem to be having little issue?

This video is most definitely in-era, but if there was any doubt, the guy who posted it says he thinks it was around 2001. 11 months of that year were in Velious.

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[loramin]

Wow, you don't often see classic video evidence!

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[Kirdan]

Molten Breath is a timed AoE on p99. You may be mixing it up with his single target DD proc on the tank, which is called Char.

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by Kirdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Molten Breath is a timed AoE on p99. You may be mixing it up with his single target DD proc on the tank, which is called Char.

The only reason the wiki says it's a timed AE is because I altered it to say that awhile back, if that's what you're sourcing. But apparently the wiki wasn't wrong and it was a proc because holy smokes that thing rapid-fires on P99. Even if it isn't a proc on P99, Sontalak's AEs are way harder to resist than they should be. Also probably Zlandicar too, look at this other video where they kill Zlandi with little trouble at all:

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by CrazyPro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only reason the wiki says it's a timed AE is because I altered it to say that awhile back, if that's what you're sourcing. But apparently the wiki wasn't wrong and it was a proc because holy smokes that thing rapid-fires on P99. Even if it isn't a proc on P99, Sontalak's AEs are way harder to resist than they should be. Also probably Zlandicar too, look at this other video where they kill Zlandi with little trouble at all:

Resists in general on p99 are way weaker than they where on live

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by Foxplay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Resists in general on p99 are way weaker than they where on live

https://www.eqemulator.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=44358

Is Nilbog aware of this? There's an incredible amount of P99 applicable information here that would make the server infinitely more classic.

[Baugi]

Originally Posted by Foxplay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Resists in general on p99 are way weaker than they where on live

I claim that Sontalak's fear (and Zlandicar's) should be easy to resist even relative to other dragons. Here are some additional anecdotes -

Originally Posted by https://web.archive.org/web/20020225145634/http://pub35.ezboard.com/fthesafehousethebackroomsecretsspoilers.showMessag e?topicID=9399.topic&index=34

Prodigious
Safehouse Supporter
(1/19/02 1:21:27 am)
Reply Re: re:One Clicker Buffs reason you don't notice his fear is because you will resist it 99.9% of the time, because has the same resist check as shaman slow or something like that you have the shaman frogs cast on you in sebilis...and you know how often that lands (you go WTF if it does once in a blue moon).

there are two versions of Dragon Roar - one is the weak version (naggy, vox, ragefire, faydedar, sontalak, zlandicar), and another has 'Dragon Resistance' check, (wuoshi, kunark dragons, klandicar).

back when players were lvl 40-50 with 25 base MR the fear was probably a very hard part about naggy and vox for example...but these days it's nothing.

one thing that still annoys me to heck is that a resisted AE means you still get the icon in your buffs

Originally Posted by https://web.archive.org/web/20020221151526/http://pub35.ezboard.com/fthesafehousethebackroomsecretsspoilers.showMessag e?topicID=9512.topic

notwen
Safehouse Supporter
(1/17/02 7:04:25 am)
Reply Re: Zlandicar toughness Hey Loth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

About all I can attest to on Zland is the weakness of the fear. Only time I've "fought" him was when we had about 3 groups in DN fighting Vilefang and Zland warped on top of us. We had neither the people nor the levels for the fight, so of course we went down...but I was hit with his fear several times. I wasn't prepared (MR only about 130ish at the time) and it was mostly resisted, the few times it wasn't it indeed only lasted a second or two.

They are consistently described in era as easy to resist with 120+ mr whereas people describe having trouble with other dragons (e.g. Kunark dragons who are not fishes, Wuoshi, Klandicar)

[Baugi]

Regarding fear/resists, I found this -

Originally Posted by https://web.archive.org/web/20011230151704/http://www.users.qwest.net/~wd11/EQstuff/WW/dragons.js

function Sontalak()
{
document.body.insertAdjacentHTML('BeforeEnd', '<DIV id=div><TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="2" WIDTH="635" HEIGHT="247"><TD BGCOLOR="black"><img src="Sontalak.jpg"></TD><TD bgcolor=black><center><h1>Sontalak</h1></center><p id=tabletext>Approximate Level = 70<BR>AE - Unknown<BR>He has a 700 damage fire based proc and does AE fear. His dispel is proximity based, if you are very close to him you get 4 buffs at a time dispelled. If you are at max melee range you only get one buff dispelled at a time. His fear is fairly easy to resist, best to go all out on fire resist and get magic resist over 120 or so. His fire AE is no stronger than other WW dragons AE, about 400 damage, but can be partially resisted easily.</P></TD></TABLE></DIV>');
}

Captured 12/30/2001 (couple weeks after Luclin release), but written probably, ah, September 11, 2001 per the page notes

Originally Posted by https://web.archive.org/web/20011201224943/http://www.users.qwest.net/~wd11/EQstuff/WW/

Dragon Info Updated - September 11, 2001

Updated info and images on a lot of dragons including: Klandicar, Sontalak, Linbrak, Myga, Nyga, Zil Sapara, Del Sapara, Mav Sapara, Sivar and a few others. I'm only missing images of a few dragons now. I know Honvar and Quoza have the Severilous graphic, but I have no image of them. I don't have an image of Zil Sapara either, but I'm 99% sure it has a Vox graphic, or maybe it was adopted and doesn't look like the other Sapara's.

[Kirdan]

Oh, I guess I should have checked the history because I made that page haha. Yeah my logs are confirming the original wiki entry: it is a proc on p99. However, I am not sure that video is evidence that it should be timed. It's not going out every 12s like you say. Meanwhile, on p99, you can also experience similar chunks of a fight like that video where it isn't going out a lot:

[Sat Jan 08 15:54:39 2022] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 650 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 08 15:54:54 2022] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 650 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 08 15:55:05 2022] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 650 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 08 15:55:31 2022] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 650 points of damage.
[Sat Jan 08 15:55:44 2022] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 650 points of damage.

[CrazyPro]

Originally Posted by Kirdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, I guess I should have checked the history because I made that page haha. Yeah my logs are confirming the original wiki entry: it is a proc on p99. However, I am not sure that video is evidence that it should be timed. It's not going out every 12s like you say. Meanwhile, on p99, you can also experience similar chunks of a fight like that video where it isn't going out a lot:

Maybe I was counting too slow. I'll count for like the third time lol.

The very start of the Sontalak fight portion of the video right after the intro, at 0:17, you can barely see the jboots buff icon in their top slot for a split second and then you can immediately hear the roar he makes when he does the AE. His next molten breath is at 0:31, so that's 14 seconds. The next one goes out at 0:50, so that's 19 seconds, then again at 1:03, so 13 seconds, then again at 1:16, so 13 seconds again, then at 1:29, so 13 seconds again, then he does DA after that so I have no idea if another AE went out then, but the next one I can see is at 2:00 which would be 31 seconds. He gets hit with the 4 slot dispel and is then hit with Molten Breath again at 2:14, so 14 seconds, and Sont dies before any more AoEs can go out.

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31 (?)
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So either it actually is supposed to be a proc, but it's just proccing WAY too much, or it is supposed to be on a 12 second timer but he doesn't instantly use it as soon as it pops off cooldown? I know there are some other dragons on p99 that have variable AE timers.

Either way, he's proccing it way too much on P99, his AEs are harder to resist than they should be, and his molten breath is apparently hitting for 650 when it's supposed to be 400?