Bow damage formula?

[Goregasmic]

Do we know the formula? After some googling I haven't found anything conclusive.

I remember reading somewhere the damage bonus followed that formula:

45+dly weaps = base + (delay - 31)/3
where base = ((level-7)/3)

but then I can't find the source anymore.

I also read a torven post saying it is basically: bow damage + arrow damage + mh damage bonus so basically it would be the good old ((Offense+STR)/100) formula applied to bows then split into a d20? Right now i have a 12dmg bow with 5dmg arrows and 23 damage bonus which yields 50 but I'll hit anywhere between 27 and 64 or so (non crit, no double damage) often in the low 30s range.

And yeah before anyone says it I know bow damage isn't very significant but it is hard to tell which bow is better/worse if you don't even know on which basis the damage is calculated.

Thanks.

[Cecily]

Thank you for your question. Always happy to help new players. Get an Earthshaker or Weighted Axe. Will improve your damage more than anything else. Wouldn't think too hard about it because it's busted. 8 dmg arrows are nice. 3 or 1 dmg work fine.

[Snaggles]

IMHO, the issue with bows is arrow burn rate since it’s a limited resource. Even if bracer arrows and you can last the fight, it adds to the downtime of making more. In big fights or solo challenges it’s a matter of if you can kill the mob with all your stacks.

For comparing bows I do the damage + arrow + damage bonus / delay. Really though, the exquisite/priceless/primal has the ideal speed to take advantage of the Earthshaker damage bonus and the ratio so be efficient per shot. I’ve done mid 40’s off disc with bracer arrows on Zlexak and about 100 on disc (vs HoT trash) with an Exquisite. Higher damage bows just give you a bigger gas tank to keep on plunking.

There are cases for the Windsaber or Bow of the Destroyer but my workhorse for a long time was an Exquisite. I’ve not yet had the Dagarn crack over 100dps but parsing it is annoying. The Windstriker has a pretty meh ratio but is the end goal for racers and efficient arrow use. I still need mine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] .

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMHO, the issue with bows is arrow burn rate since it’s a limited resource. Even if bracer arrows and you can last the fight, it adds to the downtime of making more. In big fights or solo challenges it’s a matter of if you can kill the mob with all your stacks.

For comparing bows I do the damage + arrow + damage bonus / delay. Really though, the exquisite/priceless/primal has the ideal speed to take advantage of the Earthshaker damage bonus and the ratio so be efficient per shot. I’ve done mid 40’s off disc with bracer arrows on Zlexak and about 100 on disc (vs HoT trash) with an Exquisite. Higher damage bows just give you a bigger gas tank to keep on plunking.

There are cases for the Windsaber or Bow of the Destroyer but my workhorse for a long time was an Exquisite. I’ve not yet had the Dagarn crack over 100dps but parsing it is annoying. The Windstriker has a pretty meh ratio but is the end goal for racers and efficient arrow use.

Yeah I've been thinking about what we said last time and yeah, windsaber/dagarn seem annoying to use and while the slower ones like WBoRZ are much easier on arrows it kinda feels like the damage bonus would be lost on them. It seems like Exquisite would strike a nice middle ground but without the formula it is kinda hard to know what's what if you don't own them to parse them.

Without a better formula I guess (damage + arrow + damage bonus)/delay will have to do.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMHO, the issue with bows is arrow burn rate since it’s a limited resource. Even if bracer arrows and you can last the fight, it adds to the downtime of making more. In big fights or solo challenges it’s a matter of if you can kill the mob with all your stacks.

For comparing bows I do the damage + arrow + damage bonus / delay. Really though, the exquisite/priceless/primal has the ideal speed to take advantage of the Earthshaker damage bonus and the ratio so be efficient per shot. I’ve done mid 40’s off disc with bracer arrows on Zlexak and about 100 on disc (vs HoT trash) with an Exquisite. Higher damage bows just give you a bigger gas tank to keep on plunking.

There are cases for the Windsaber or Bow of the Destroyer but my workhorse for a long time was an Exquisite. I’ve not yet had the Dagarn crack over 100dps but parsing it is annoying. The Windstriker has a pretty meh ratio but is the end goal for racers and efficient arrow use. I still need mine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] .

Windstriker is neat because how hard it nails things when the shitty bow accuracy works. The unresistable 100 nukes are cool, too. It's just not fun to use with the delay. It does respect your arrow supply more than any other option, however.

I agree with ~32/35 being the sweet spot for rangers. I ran Primal bow as my main bow. That ratio hurts. Non-rangers abusing weighted axes etc get more benefit from the quicker bows, but rangers have Trueshot and double damage passives that benefit more from the higher base damage. And again, like you mention, running out of arrows sucks so balanced damage and moderate delay is optimal.

You're gonna be running Tolan arrows primarily (3 dmg 50 range) and 1 - 6 / 150s for fancy occasions like AEs or FTE. Any other option isn't a good choice unless you wanna throw away a bunch of 8 dmgs into a BFG trueshot burn to play rogue for a mob. Too expensive and range sucks on them.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Windstriker is neat because how hard it nails things when the shitty bow accuracy works. The unresistable 100 nukes are cool, too. It's just not fun to use with the delay. It does respect your arrow supply more than any other option, however.

I agree with ~32/35 being the sweet spot for rangers. I ran Primal bow as my main bow. That ratio hurts. Non-rangers abusing weighted axes etc get more benefit from the quicker bows, but rangers have Trueshot and double damage passives that benefit more from the higher base damage. And again, like you mention, running out of arrows sucks so balanced damage and moderate delay is optimal.

You're gonna be running Tolan arrows primarily (3 dmg 50 range) and 1 - 6 / 150s for fancy occasions like AEs or FTE. Any other option isn't a good choice unless you wanna throw away a bunch of 8 dmgs into a BFG trueshot burn to play rogue for a mob. Too expensive and range sucks on them.

Agreed. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really want a Windstriker for racing and those stun-double damage hits. It’s just an all around good bow outside pure ratio for dps.

The weighted axe really is the game changer for the Dagarn. I’ve seen warriors do solid dps with them (I recall one doing 70’s on Eashen).

I tend to open with a 2h and jolt between swings (x10-12 times), swap to BFG/Swiftwind to disc with 8’s and pray. On shorter fights it seems better to just disc and jolt but it’s a bit less efficient if the fight lasts over 2 minutes. For range stuff I pick up Flights in SFG with my Druid and just drop transfer them.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for your question. Always happy to help new players. Get an Earthshaker or Weighted Axe. Will improve your damage more than anything else. Wouldn't think too hard about it because it's busted. 8 dmg arrows are nice. 3 or 1 dmg work fine.

Leveling a ranger (52) right now so it would be an earthshaker. It is on the shopping list but a bit farther down the priority list. I'm trying to get fletching up there for more arrow options too but I got a tolan's bracer today also.

Basically I leveled to ~48 solo with a fungi just facetanking with a shovel but now it seems like even with swarmcaller swaps it is getting tedious so I figured I'd get more arrows in to cheese it as difficulty increases.

I'm looking at bow options and snaggles did a good run down in another thread but it is kind of hard to know how faster bows with lower ratios would fare against slower bow with higher damage so the actual formula would help a lot.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Leveling a ranger (52) right now so it would be an earthshaker. It is on the shopping list but a bit farther down the priority list. I'm trying to get fletching up there for more arrow options too but I got a tolan's bracer today also.

Basically I leveled to ~48 solo with a fungi just facetanking with a shovel but now it seems like even with swarmcaller swaps it is getting tedious so I figured I'd get more arrows in to cheese it as difficulty increases.

I'm looking at bow options and snaggles did a good run down in another thread but it is kind of hard to know how faster bows with lower ratios would fare against slower bow with higher damage so the actual formula would help a lot.

Can't imagine how swapping weapons would be tedious. Anyways look at this chart: https://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html

That number will get tacked onto your bow damage. It's completely wrong and broken. Earthshaker will boost your archery to something semi-reliable, soon. You're still at kind of a bad bonus at 52, but later on you'll have minimum 100-ish dmg shots with nice bows with +56 dmg coming from bonus at 60.

Tbh just running the Swarmcaller mainhand works, too. You get +15 dmg bonus now. It's about half as good as ES.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want to say bards are blue to 55. Nobles are a coin flip blue at 56. They have low 2k hps so go down easy with arrows. On blue they are not camped at all (usually). Not sure on green. Back then I used my Huntsman bow and it was fun but the DD will occasionally break root early.

Harmony won’t split them up. Gotta root and root, then go to work. Or snare and haul to the zone and split them that way.

Blue cons are at -14 for 54-57 according to the wiki so at 55 only the 41-42s would be blue and 40s would be high green, leaving 38-39 no exp green. Not sure if that is acceptable for a melee camp. Not scared of some root CC action either, since the lvl 51 longer root it is a breeze.

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Windstriker is neat because how hard it nails things when the shitty bow accuracy works. The unresistable 100 nukes are cool, too. It's just not fun to use with the delay. It does respect your arrow supply more than any other option, however.

I agree with ~32/35 being the sweet spot for rangers. I ran Primal bow as my main bow. That ratio hurts. Non-rangers abusing weighted axes etc get more benefit from the quicker bows, but rangers have Trueshot and double damage passives that benefit more from the higher base damage. And again, like you mention, running out of arrows sucks so balanced damage and moderate delay is optimal.

You're gonna be running Tolan arrows primarily (3 dmg 50 range) and 1 - 6 / 150s for fancy occasions like AEs or FTE. Any other option isn't a good choice unless you wanna throw away a bunch of 8 dmgs into a BFG trueshot burn to play rogue for a mob. Too expensive and range sucks on them.

Yeah exq velium reinforced bow looks like the best compromise. It is 20-25k on green though and earthshaker is 20k and I just went broke buying a tolan's bracer with my last 10k so I got a lot of farming on my chanter ahead which I'm kind of dreading right now after farming for a fungi. I used to think I might have to farm a windsaber but even a 25dly sarnak war bow hasn't exactly been economical.

Yeah I love the 150 range arrows. Not always warranted but pulling across the map with a raincaller in EW/WL has been fun and safer. Don't really plan on fighting in open spaces for now so I just fletch the highest hitting ones I can skill up on for pulling and spam with tolan's if I need to.

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't imagine how swapping weapons would be tedious. Anyways look at this chart: https://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html

That number will get tacked onto your bow damage. It's completely wrong and broken. Earthshaker will boost your archery to something semi-reliable, soon. You're still at kind of a bad bonus at 52, but later on you'll have minimum 100-ish dmg shots with nice bows with +56 dmg coming from bonus at 60.

Tbh just running the Swarmcaller mainhand works, too. You get +15 dmg bonus now. It's about half as good as ES.

Nah you misunderstood me. I meant the mobs have been more tedious to kill in general. I don't mind swapping swarmcaller because an early proc is a night and day difference at this point. I switch between spade and AP also depending on if I want the spade or not to proc. That last 15%-20% on a fleeing mob makes an appreciable difference in efficiency. The difference in dps between swarmcaller and AP is noticeable so I'd rather swap once SC procced. I mean, if you're dad camping a 6:40 mob it doesn't matter but if you want to be efficient all those little things help.

And yeah I did take another look at that lucy 2hander damage bonus chart yesterday and I didn't remember damage bonus doubling between 50 and 60. Difference between AP and ES is about 25% too.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blue cons are at -14 for 54-57 according to the wiki so at 55 only the 41-42s would be blue and 40s would be high green, leaving 38-39 no exp green. Not sure if that is acceptable for a melee camp. Not scared of some root CC action either, since the lvl 51 longer root it is a breeze.

That place has a ton of blue spawns to 55 so you have 3 levels of bliss and fine steel. Plus 55 is a nice upgrade for the ranger.

Even if you kept it boring and just killed Boshinko it’s a solid camp to plunk while you watch YouTube. No splitting needed.