Combat mage

[Dundrige]

How would the DPS of a Mage with Fesh staff (400damage DD) combating full-time, 255 Strength, 255 Dex 41% haste, epic pet, occasionally nuking, and damage shielding a tank like a paladin compare to other DPS classes?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Dundrige [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How would the DPS of a Mage with Fesh staff (400damage DD) combating full-time, 255 Strength, 255 Dex 41% haste, epic pet, occasionally nuking, and damage shielding a tank like a paladin compare to other DPS classes?

I can take a look using my DPS calculator. With those stats the Mage would melee + proc for about 20 DPS against a level 50 mob, if the Mage is attacking non-stop. If you cast spells, that would lower your melee DPS.

For comparison, if a Warrior could use Fesh Staff with those same stats, they would do roughly 58 DPS while meleeing non-stop.

Spamming Burnt Wood Staff is 24 DPS, and spamming Boots of Bladecalling is 35 DPS.

Sadly I do not think a melee build on a Mage will work, as spamming clickies would have better DPS.

If I remember correctly an Epic Pet does like 80-90 DPS, so you would be doing around 125 DPS with Epic Pet and boots of bladecalling Clickie Spam. It would be like 150 DPS if your Epic Pet was tanking due to Damage shield.

If you really wanted to you could auto attack with fesh staff in between clickie casts to try and proc Fesh Staff. But then your pet wouldn't be tanking, so you'd lose the damage shield DPS. That probably wouldn't be worth it unless the mob is running, or you need to tank for your pet.

[Crede]

Yea you’re better off getting velks boots and as many ft items as possible to mix in normal nukes/rains. Fesh staff is more of a necro thing since they can spam deflux while meleeing.

[Snaggles]

The gear treadmill isn’t even that high. On blue cons, a summoners dagger, fesh boots and the burnt wood stave land. Of those, the boots and dagger can be used at the same time (proc RNG between clicks). Often a focused water will match or beat the epic for pure dps.

The Fesh staff is nice but mainly for the lure.

I’d rather just rely on the pet, DS and some clicks though. Quicker to get back to messing. A full mana bar is good burst dps and it’s harder to maintain that chasing stuff around.

[Snaggles]

“Messing” = medding

[Vexenu]

Boots and staff are both really nice. Long cast time doesn't matter as much as many people seem to think, especially if you're in a solo/duo/trio situation. Plenty of time for one or more casts per mob. Send the pet, spam the clickie. Don't make it any more complicated than it needs to be. You aren't playing a Mage to impress people, after all.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Boots and staff are both really nice. Long cast time doesn't matter as much as many people seem to think, especially if you're in a solo/duo/trio situation. Plenty of time for one or more casts per mob. Send the pet, spam the clickie. Don't make it any more complicated than it needs to be. You aren't playing a Mage to impress people, after all.

Yeah I feel like the dislike of long cast times comes from live. I remember not liking the kunark armor clickies on live when Kunark came out due to the long cast times.

On P99, perhaps due to a combination of better internet and "unclassic" channeling, there really isn't an issue with long cast time clickies. They finish most of the time for me, and the mana savings are well worth it.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I feel like the dislike of long cast times comes from live. I remember not liking the kunark armor clickies on live when Kunark came out due to the long cast times.

On P99, perhaps due to a combination of better internet and "unclassic" channeling, there really isn't an issue with long cast time clickies. They finish most of the time for me, and the mana savings are well worth it.

On live I had the vermillion robe of torrefaction. It is a great item and has many good uses but it is still a 600dd for 15sec cast for a class that can dump 3.2k damage within the same timeframe. Good for sustain and mana savings but terribly boring.

They were lesser known back then and the math/strats weren't out so it could explain lower popularity.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Arruda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't make it any more complicated than it needs to be.

I think in some ways people make this more complicated because they ignore the fact that the mage is a solid dps class (especially for those without raid gear). Likely because few parse and see how the pets are stacking up.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On live I had the vermillion robe of torrefaction. It is a great item and has many good uses but it is still a 600dd for 15sec cast for a class that can dump 3.2k damage within the same timeframe. Good for sustain and mana savings but terribly boring.

They were lesser known back then and the math/strats weren't out so it could explain lower popularity.

Clicking for 45 dps is certainly more boring compared to chain casting Lure of Ice but I guess so is medding. In classic timeline, less gear went to alts so they were likely more of a stat piece with a novelty click, rather than a grind aid.

The stave is a bit underrated though since 350 range instead of 200. You can get another click started before the first one lands and type “/pet kill” for when it’s charging you.

However, I never leveled with mine because:
1. Blue cons need more blasting than 25dps + your pet in the late 50’s.
(It’s an opener at best.)
2. After 54 with Sigil, the ability to kill a pet and finish with a 2sec nuke is ideal

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think in some ways people make this more complicated because they ignore the fact that the mage is a solid dps class (especially for those without raid gear). Likely because few parse and see how the pets are stacking up.



Clicking for 45 dps is certainly more boring compared to chain casting Lure of Ice but I guess so is medding. In classic timeline, less gear went to alts so they were likely more of a stat piece with a novelty click, rather than a grind aid.

Yeah opening up with it was often a free nuke, not bad to finish snared runners too. Also more sustain in groups which is the biggest downside of wizards. Even without the corner strat it was good. Never did the math on if it was better dps to med for next nuke than to chain click when you ran out of mana on a raid.

And yeah, thurg and PoF robes had better stats and we weren't in VP yet. When VRoT dropped I was prepared to DKP dump on it and it was defaulted to me since no one else wanted it... so it wasn't sought after.