Weapon swapping, the real deal, unfiltered

[kazza2ud]

Hey guys! Haven't played in years, was cleaning up my computer and found this old video.

I remember ages ago I was arguing on here that no one really understood weapon swapping, I think it got a little heated [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Once I figured out that no one knew what the hell I was talking about, I kept it to myself (mostly). Figured it's time to declassify my knowledge since it really doesn't matter anymore.

This mostly applies to LEVELING because I realized and was soon annoyed that once you get max haste and faster weapons it becomes nearly impossible to sustain. But it does make leveling a warrior fun as shiiiiit.

So basically, you are taking advantage of the different attack timers on your mainhand and offhand to essentially attack seamlessly with both a 2-hander and your offhand at the same time, with no interruption, continuously, always. So basically, your main hand is a 2-hander and your offhand is a 1-hander, in essence. Pretty broken, but requires so much APM that likely no one would do it except me.

You can see what I'm doing with the weapons, turning off attack timer, swapping, turning back on, rinse repeat. My setup for doing it is seen at the bottom. I had to use NVIDIA control panel with the low-latency set to ULTRA to make it possible, otherwise picking up items and moving them was too slow.

Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy2DmHlOoUA

[Zuranthium]

Yes, we did it in 1999 (and it was required for Warriors to show they could do it to join our guild), and I've been telling people for years to use weapon swapping when you're not too hasted, if you care about having more DPS.

For Warriors who want to do Solo / Duo / Trio Challenges: Velious + Kunark/Classic World, being able to do this is particularly important.

[HaroldGWhitley]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, we did it in 1999 (and it was required for Warriors to show they could do it to join our guild), and I've been telling people for years to use weapon swapping when you're not too hasted, if you care about having more DPS.

For Warriors who want to do Solo / Duo / Trio Challenges: Velious + Kunark/Classic World, being able to do this is particularly important.

Wow! I agree in the post

[Meeper]

I can't follow exactly what's going on in that video. Are you attacking with a 2H, manually turning off attack, dropping an off-hand weapon in, manually turning on attack, manually turning off attack after off-hand triggers, dropping the 2H back in, and then rinse and repeat?

[kjs86z2]

there is absolutely no need to weapon swap ever

[Samoht]

This is absolutely not worth the effort on a warrior. You have to unequip the 2 hander and switch it with a 1 hander in a bag then equip the 1 hander in the off hand. Then the reverse. If you don't turn attack off, then your offhand will fire immediately with H2H damage (which maxes out at 100 for a warrior) when you unequip the 2h, so that's why you have to turn attack off.

Being super hasted (41% haste item + VoG) will outweigh any benefit of weapon twisting on a warrior. I think that's why OP adds the caveat that it only works while leveling because haste is level capped, but this would not be beneficial while raiding at level 60.

There might be minimal gains to doing this on a warrior while leveling or raiding sub60, but 1 swing out of order would ruin the whole thing and result in less DPS than if you had just turned on attack and AFKed the whole fight.

Monk is a different story, though, for 2 reasons: 1) Their H2H cap is higher, and 2) epic goes into fist slot, so you don't have to use two weapons while twisting or even turn attack off. Just swing with 2h, unequip, swing with fist, then reequip.

[HaroldGWhitley]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is absolutely not worth the effort on a warrior. You have to unequip the 2 hander and switch it with a 1 hander in a bag then equip the 1 hander in the off hand. Then the reverse. If you don't turn attack off, then your offhand will fire immediately with H2H damage (which maxes out at 100 for a warrior) when you unequip the 2h, so that's why you have to turn attack off.

Being super hasted (41% haste item + VoG survival race ) will outweigh any benefit of weapon twisting on a warrior. I think that's why OP adds the caveat that it only works while leveling because haste is level capped, but this would not be beneficial while raiding at level 60.

There might be minimal gains to doing this on a warrior while leveling or raiding sub60, but 1 swing out of order would ruin the whole thing and result in less DPS than if you had just turned on attack and AFKed the whole fight.

Monk is a different story, though, for 2 reasons: 1) Their H2H cap is higher, and 2) epic goes into fist slot, so you don't have to use two weapons while twisting or even turn attack off. Just swing with 2h, unequip, swing with fist, then reequip.

Thank you

[Jimjam]

It's not even worth it with something unhasted and slow, cos in that instance you should be lance kiting the mob, not toe to toeing it, to reduce the ratio of its swings to yours.

[shovelquest]

yall ever sit every 5 seconds while running around or kiting a mob and like it just happening like you don't even think about it?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I did try to do this kind of weapon swapping on my Monk to test out this theory, and it was rough doing it with purely manual mouse clicks and mouse movements. OP is doing it very smoothly in the video.

EDIT: OP does say he set his Nvidia control panel to reduce latency. That does make sense, as normally I wouldn't be able to click inventory items that fast. His mouse does jitter a bit too. It's a lot of work and concentration to do this over long periods of time. That I why I typically don't recommend it.

It can be fine if you are able to just stand in one place where you know you won't get adds. Then you can put your full focus into weapon swapping. That is what OP is doing in the video. But you won't be able to do this if you need to move around, deal with adds, etc.