Can a Paladin start out as Non-KOS to Venril Sathir faction

Silverback · #1 10-07-2022, 12:33 PM

Anyone know of Race/Deity combo that allows a Paladin to start out dubious or better to Venril Sathir (Kunark Outpost etc)?

zelld52 · #2 10-07-2022, 12:48 PM

i think only the "good" deities and races are KoS to outpost. so, high elf is out. dwarf can only be brell serilis, so thats out too.

erudite might be ok. i think prexus is considered "good" but Quellious is neutral.

human, im not sure. i think you can only be rodcet nife, mith marr... but maybe Quellious?

Jimjam · #3 10-07-2022, 01:27 PM

Humans can be karana or E Marr too, but surely live is the antithesis of hate?

I don’t think the only problem is deity though. I imagine class is a huge negative modifier when it comes to paladin in over there.

Best bet is a ‘neutral’ race like erud or human and a more esoteric deity choice like ocean lord or lord of storms.

Silverback · #4 10-07-2022, 03:03 PM

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Humans can be karana or E Marr too, but surely live is the antithesis of hate?

I don’t think the only problem is deity though. I imagine class is a huge negative modifier when it comes to paladin in over there.

Best bet is a ‘neutral’ race like erud or human and a more esoteric deity choice like ocean lord or lord of storms.

Yeah looks like only Humans/Erudites by race, but all dieties would be KOS either way. thanks for that info

Jimjam · #5 10-07-2022, 04:23 PM

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Yeah looks like only Humans/Erudites by race, but all dieties would be KOS either way. thanks for that info

For a variety of reasons don’t take those numbers as gospel for how things will be on this emu. They’re usually a good rough guide but often not spot on.

tadkins · #6 10-09-2022, 04:10 AM

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Thanks to Tadkins

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Disclaimer though, the faction data is for Live. Not all of it will match up with P99, there are some disparities between the two.

Couple of good examples are NeriakTrolls (should be neutral start to literally everyone) and Storm Guard (should be KoS initially to Rallos Zek worshippers). Would be kinda cool to see P99 just take that data and apply it here one day.

Jimjam · #7 10-09-2022, 04:31 AM

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I appreciate the shout-out. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disclaimer though, the faction data is for Live. Not all of it will match up with P99, there are some disparities between the two.

Couple of good examples are NeriakTrolls (should be neutral start to literally everyone) and Storm Guard (should be KoS initially to Rallos Zek worshippers). Would be kinda cool to see P99 just take that data and apply it here one day.

No worries, thank you for clearing up those discrepancies.

Another peculiarity of p1999 is your base faction standings aren't calculated live, they are calculated at character creation and then modified by your actions. Or at least that is my understanding of it.

If I understand right, the result of this is when race/class/deity mods on p99 get corrected, these corrections only really apply to toons that haven't be rolled yet. Existing toon's standings don't get fixed.

tadkins · #8 10-09-2022, 04:40 AM

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No worries, thank you for clearing up those discrepancies.

Another peculiarity of p1999 is your base faction standings aren't calculated live, they are calculated at character creation and then modified by your actions. Or at least that is my understanding of it.

If I understand right, the result of this is when race/class/deity mods on p99 get corrected, these corrections only really apply to toons that haven't be rolled yet. Existing toon's standings don't get fixed.

Yep correct. I think it'd be cool to have a temporary way for folks to get some of these factions fixed when/if they do make the changes. Like have a troll NPC in Neriak they can hail to return NeriakTrolls to indifferent up for a month or so.

My agnostic human mage should be able to hang out in all of Neriak FQ but alas he cannot here. xD

I know it's kind of a silly thing to focus on but as someone who's faction-obsessed it's something I can't help but notice. I posted about it a while ago and hope it does get addressed one day.
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=407124

jolanar · #9 10-09-2022, 09:23 AM

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No worries, thank you for clearing up those discrepancies.

Another peculiarity of p1999 is your base faction standings aren't calculated live, they are calculated at character creation and then modified by your actions. Or at least that is my understanding of it.

If I understand right, the result of this is when race/class/deity mods on p99 get corrected, these corrections only really apply to toons that haven't be rolled yet. Existing toon's standings don't get fixed.

I have definitely noticed that they changed the back end faction calculations after they became visible on live around 5 or 6 years ago. Depending on when my character was made will decide how easy it is to raise factions with certain areas.

I still think there is a ton of quests that give way too low faction, but that's not something that I can prove because we don't see that info here, and telling P99 staff to "go look up info that is easily available" apparently was harassment and got me a ban warning.

Encroaching Death · #10 10-07-2022, 01:31 PM

What's your end goal?

Do you just want to use the outpost in OT?