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Old 04-13-2022, 09:31 AM
Mullethead409 Mullethead409 is offline
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Default Waking the Sleeper is a **** move

It's not meaningful raid content.. it's the top guild purposefully preventing the rest of the server from content. P99 is supposed to be a place to experience everquest as it was, by waking the sleeper you change a server permanently to remove content that only the top guild at the time can ever experience, it goes against the core principle of p99 in my view.

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Idea: The sleeper should only be awoken as a GM event where after a period of time it would be reset.
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Old 04-13-2022, 09:54 AM
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Waking the Sleeper is the exact same thing as any other time limited content such as Manastone. The only difference is the timer is player controlled, rather than dev controlled.

You could easily say keeping the Sleeper sleeping is blocking all players who want to do the Essence Lens quest. There are only a few good Warder items, and for some classes the Essence Lens quest is better than any Warder loot. So you can't really use the "blocking content" argument, since content is blocked in both situations.
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Old 04-15-2022, 10:02 AM
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Waking the Sleeper is the exact same thing as any other time limited content such as Manastone. The only difference is the timer is player controlled, rather than dev controlled.

You could easily say keeping the Sleeper sleeping is blocking all players who want to do the Essence Lens quest. There are only a few good Warder items, and for some classes the Essence Lens quest is better than any Warder loot. So you can't really use the "blocking content" argument, since content is blocked in both situations.
This is the most ignorant statement ive read on this subject. the manastone was an item the devs deemed was to OP for anyone to have and patched it out. Everyone i know who knows anything about the items from sleeper says this was a D*** move if the game is locked classic. And i guess you could say ST just wanted to patch it out, but the devs arnt the community, ST is. So with that being said the community should of had a vote.
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Old 04-16-2022, 02:20 PM
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This is the most ignorant statement ive read on this subject. the manastone was an item the devs deemed was to OP for anyone to have and patched it out. Everyone i know who knows anything about the items from sleeper says this was a D*** move if the game is locked classic. And i guess you could say ST just wanted to patch it out, but the devs arnt the community, ST is. So with that being said the community should of had a vote.
There is two arguments regarding a vote I can see here:

1) The Community Vote; Is it not fair to say that everyone in the community had a vote when they decided on what type of game they wanted to play? Seal Team voted by prioritizing sleepers tomb keys and in ~10 months since Velious launch amassed 200+ keys giving up Veeshan's Peak, KT/Dain, and tons of classic targets. The second largest mass of keys is Kingdom with ~25 keys.

The opportunity to amass a force, a community of people you enjoy playing with, and go play the game the way you want is available to every one of us. Some people choose to do a thing that has upset you and I hear you on your frustration.

Suggested actions in the next progression server are to vote with your actions and shape Norrath the way you choose.

This is why I love Everquest and wish all the MMOs that follow had actions/consequence mechanics that shaped the virtual world based on player made decisions. Many of us who enjoy this genre of game (MMO) know that wasn't always the case in later games which is why we likely play on P99.

Bless you and RIP Brad! <3

I have HIGH hopes for Monsters & Memories where player actions will shape the world in a multitude of ways!! (https://monstersandmemories.com/) A team of some original EQ Devs, some of which are current players of p99 are developing it.

2) The Sleepers Tomb keyed player vote; Kingdom has 10% the keys Seal Team does. I feel confident in saying that 10% didn't want to wake it...that still leaves the other ~90%. Even with assuming some on that 90% didn't want it awoken in modern times this is defined as a "supermajority". (Supermajority is 67%-90% of the vote).


These are just my viewpoints and certainly do not have to be yours, but I thought it might be helpful to voice it.
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Old 04-13-2022, 11:12 AM
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As someone who is not in a top raiding guild I have no problem with them waking the sleeper. It’s a cool event and it’s completely classic. You just want to farm warder loot so you’re annoyed, don’t cry about it.

And frankly them waking the sleeper is meaningless. Even if they didn’t they would still lock you out of farming the warders. You think they’d get bored of that or something? Lol fat chance
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Old 04-13-2022, 12:06 PM
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As someone who is not in a top raiding guild I have no problem with them waking the sleeper. It’s a cool event and it’s completely classic. You just want to farm warder loot so you’re annoyed, don’t cry about it.

And frankly them waking the sleeper is meaningless. Even if they didn’t they would still lock you out of farming the warders. You think they’d get bored of that or something? Lol fat chance
this is like saying I'm not born in India so I don't care about Indian politics

lol
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Old 04-14-2022, 09:33 AM
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this is like saying I'm not born in India so I don't care about Indian politics

lol
I am not born in India, so I don't give a shit about their politics...yes your right.
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Old 04-14-2022, 09:54 AM
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I am not born in India, so I don't give a shit about their politics...yes your right.
show bob remove ur cloth
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Old 04-14-2022, 09:56 AM
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...and I feel fine!

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Old 04-14-2022, 11:07 AM
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I am not born in India, so I don't give a shit about their politics...yes your right.
the analogy is that if you dont raid on here casual or hardcore, you shouldnt have an

opinion on it

because it doesnt apply to you
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