"Boxing" question

cgatton · #1 04-07-2022, 04:05 PM

I'm getting ready to start up again, and am thinking about playing with my 10-year old daughter. I have the IP exceptions already, did that a few years back but she was definitely too young then and didn't have the attention span. Now she's into 5E D&D and more interested in gaming in general, and we've played WoW a bit.

My question is wondering how ridiculous people are about reporting perceived boxing? She always autofollows me around in WoW and is pretty useless in fights lol, I end up doing most of the work. I can see somebody seeing us, thinking she's being boxed, and reporting it, and the policy seems to be an insta-ban without any real investigation? I have no desire to even start up with her here if that's going to happen.

Am I overestimating the likelihood of that?

strongNpretty · #2 04-07-2022, 04:16 PM

You will be given a proper boxing test if you are suspected. Chances are good you'll be petitioned by somebody. GM will show up invis, and study you for a bit, and then you'll be offered a chance to make both of your characters perform certain movements. That will be your time to shine...

cgatton · #3 04-07-2022, 04:24 PM

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You will be given a proper boxing test if you are suspected. Chances are good you'll be petitioned by somebody. GM will show up invis, and study you for a bit, and then you'll be offered a chance to make both of your characters perform certain movements. That will be your time to shine...

OK, so it's not just report ticket received... BAN! That makes me fell a little better about it, thanks. I remember years ago we got an IP ban for my wife and I playing together, and she was a veteran EQ player and was actively doing stuff, lol. That's when we had to apply for the IP exception.

Swish · #4 04-08-2022, 09:48 PM

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OK, so it's not just report ticket received... BAN! That makes me fell a little better about it, thanks. I remember years ago we got an IP ban for my wife and I playing together, and she was a veteran EQ player and was actively doing stuff, lol. That's when we had to apply for the IP exception.

You were playing together without an exemption? Sheesh.

Dural_Levant · #5 04-14-2022, 11:57 AM

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You will be given a proper boxing test if you are suspected. Chances are good you'll be petitioned by somebody. GM will show up invis, and study you for a bit, and then you'll be offered a chance to make both of your characters perform certain movements. That will be your time to shine...

Thanks for this info, it cleared up a few things for me. I am relieved to hear that they give you a chance to demonstrate that you're not boxing.

I was recently granted an IP Exemption for my GF. I was planning on giving her some platinum, a few items, like a backpack or two and maybe some other items that she could use.

It was never really made clear, to my satisfaction, if this might it be misconstrued as boxing. I wasn't sure how to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

Danth · #6 04-15-2022, 05:58 AM

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It was never really made clear, to my satisfaction, if this might it be misconstrued as boxing. I wasn't sure how to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

There are things you can do to make it more obvious to everyone the other character is indeed a second person.

a) You'll reduce the number of others who think you're boxing simply by NOT having the same surnames. I encountered this personally. My paladin and my wife's cleric have the same surname and some players assumed it was boxing for that reason alone. These self-appointed internet sleuths aren't exactly Sherlock Holmes! Lo and behold, on our shadow knight/shaman duo, which have different surnames, nobody ever accuses us of boxing.

b) Never use auto-follow

c) See to it that both characters are active at the same time. If a cleric sits there and does nothing at all but stand up and cast complete heal once in awhile, folks are going to think you're boxing. If that same cleric is actively helping out with stuff, maybe pulling itself, tossing out stuns, etc, folks will notice that.

d) If your partner is AFK and something like a train happens, don't run across the room to the other computer to try to move it, let it die. Not only will folks notice the afk person dying to the train as the afk person should, but saving it in that manner actually DOES violate the boxing policy.

e) If the other person isn't on, she isn't on. If she has a druid but isn't on, she doesn't log on just to port you, you find someone else or hire a Dial just like everyone else does. I know it's annoying because it's trivial for a person to stop what they're doing for a few minutes for something like that, but in this type of case appearances go a long way.

Note that the staff, if they suspect a boxer, will normally hang out in GM-invisible mode and watch you for awhile before they make their presence known and do their little anti-boxing test. If it's obvious enough you're separate people they won't even do it. They're not looking to pick on you. I've played P99 along with my wife since P99 opened, over 12 years now, and in that time we've never once been subjected to the "boxing test." Simply put, if you don't want to look like you're boxing, then don't do stuff that looks like boxing.

Danth

cgatton · #7 04-07-2022, 04:32 PM

What makes me concerned about it being reported is that I'm 100% certain I could actually 2box and look more like 2 people than when I play anything with her, haha.

Imposter · #8 04-07-2022, 04:40 PM

TLDR, OP plans to two box and pretends to have procreated.

cgatton · #9 04-07-2022, 04:55 PM

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TLDR, OP plans to two box and pretends to have procreated.

Sure, sure. You got me there.

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strongNpretty · #10 04-07-2022, 05:12 PM

Hahaha ignore the trolls.. My guess is there are probably more folks legitimately playing with their significant others or children with IP exemptions, then there is folks actually trying to pull off boxing..

And it's not strange to just see 2 players sitting around, or only 1 moving.. I think the times you run into dickheads reporting you, is when you maybe are at a camp they traveled for, and they get mad and throw the'ol hail mary by /petition Cgatton is boxing!!!!

But more times than not, you're gonna be safe.. I think the boxing test is both characters have to perform figure 8's or something.. They are all movement based tests. But yeah you will be given a fair trial.