Agnostic Human Rogue factions

Verityn · #1 09-26-2019, 01:36 PM

I've been doing a lot of web searching and I just haven't found much info on what to expect as an agnostic human rogue starting in Qeynos. In theory this race/class/deity combo seems really neutral, but I could understand some factions just never wanting anything to do with a rogue. I'm mostly curious to know if any town guards/merchants are KOS to me and If there are any surprises like a random KOS npc in Freeport.

On blue I'm only level 2 so I'm just running around Qeynos and everyone including the paladins just seem apprehensive to me which makes sense. I plan to see if the necro guild is KOS to me too tonight. I read some random forum post about Halas guards being KOS to non-barbarian rogues and I'm not sure if that's true. I don't expect to be allowed to go into Grobb or Oggok, but maybe I'm okay in Neriak commons?

Gustoo · #2 09-26-2019, 02:17 PM

You won't be KOS to anyone as an agnostic human rogue.

Rogue faction isn't particularly bad in any particular place. Racial faction way more significant.

The agnostic aspect will mean that when you wear a DE mask you won't be hated by evils. Evils will hate you if you worship a good God (illusion doesn't cover your diety alliance) so you definitely need to be agnostic as a rogue or enchanter.

Verityn · #3 09-26-2019, 03:09 PM

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You won't be KOS to anyone as an agnostic human rogue.

Rogue faction isn't particularly bad in any particular place. Racial faction way more significant.

The agnostic aspect will mean that when you wear a DE mask you won't be hated by evils. Evils will hate you if you worship a good God (illusion doesn't cover your diety alliance) so you definitely need to be agnostic as a rogue or enchanter.

Thanks for the reassurance. At the very least it seems like I might con threateningly to the halas guards, but even with that I can still turn in the gnoll fangs there to bring it up to dubious. I'm hoping for something similar with Neriak Commons. I just think it would so cool to go there as a human and not just with a DE mask.

Deathrydar · #4 10-02-2019, 10:54 AM

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Thanks for the reassurance. At the very least it seems like I might con threateningly to the halas guards, but even with that I can still turn in the gnoll fangs there to bring it up to dubious. I'm hoping for something similar with Neriak Commons. I just think it would so cool to go there as a human and not just with a DE mask.

You can go there as a human rogue, you just need to stay away from the Wiz/Mage guild...

Verityn · #5 10-02-2019, 01:50 PM

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You can go there as a human rogue, you just need to stay away from the Wiz/Mage guild...

That's where factions are kind of hard to understand. So the casters are part of The Spurned faction which I should only be apprehensive (-250) to assuming this list is correct. However I see people mentioning them being aligned with the King who is KOS to me (-500). Technically if I get 1 point of faction he should be dubious to me after that. The same for the warrior guild where I should be able to sneak into Crushbone to kill a single elf slave to get -499 (dubious). Of course there are some factions that are -1000.

Exploring all of this in game is going to be a lot of fun.

loramin · #6 10-02-2019, 01:57 PM

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That's where factions are kind of hard to understand. So the casters are part of The Spurned faction which I should only be apprehensive (-250) to assuming this list is correct. However I see people mentioning them being aligned with the King who is KOS to me (-500). Technically if I get 1 point of faction he should be dubious to me after that. The same for the warrior guild where I should be able to sneak into Crushbone to kill a single elf slave to get -499 (dubious). Of course there are some factions that are -1000.

Exploring all of this in game is going to be a lot of fun.

Just remember that the wiki faction numbers are like the ZEMs. No one really knows the exact numbers here, because ShowEQ is banned (and without a tool like that there's no way to determine the exact numbers ... in fact, I'm kinda surprised you could even see those with ShowEQ ... but I assume that's how people got them back in the day?)

Which faction you gain/lose is almost always correct in the wiki, but you should take the numbers only as a "best guess".

Gustoo · #7 09-26-2019, 03:32 PM

Halas guard 99.99 percent just fine.

The rogue factions you will be aligned with wont hurt them a lot. If a rogue was KOS he wouldn't be a very good rogue would he?

Verityn · #8 09-26-2019, 04:25 PM

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Halas guard 99.99 percent just fine.

The rogue factions you will be aligned with wont hurt them a lot. If a rogue was KOS he wouldn't be a very good rogue would he?

Part of me was hoping that none of the dervish cutthroats or karana bandits were kos to me because I'm their bro.

Gustoo · #9 09-26-2019, 05:04 PM

Bandits may or may not be KOS to you I am not that good at faction knowledge.

For most important stuff in game, your race is number 1 most important.

For illusions your religion comes through and evil races are fully at war with (not tolerant of) goodie religions.

Good guys usually won't KOS you for being a bad religion. My first character in everquest in 1999 was a wood elf warrior. I worshipped rallos zek the god of war (duh, right?) and I had max wisdom because I knew that the most important part of a truly great warrior is that he is wise. I was dubious to wood elfs in my home town and KOS to dwarfs. I snuck onto the boat and went to the tolerant peoples of misty thicket to begin my adventure.

Keebz · #10 09-26-2019, 05:59 PM

On a more general level, is there solid info on which religions are 'good' vs 'evil' vs 'neutral'? Or is that an oversimplification of a more nuanced faction web? I'm personally curious what Prexus qualifies as... but I digress.

It'd be cool to be able to type in a class, race, deity combo and see what faction doors open/close.