Rogue vs Monk 55+

[Dezik]

Hi all,

So with the announcement of the P99 Green (YES!) I am wanting to get back into p99. Asking for advice on which character Blue needs more right now and which one you guys feel is more useful/fun. I currently have both a Rogue (56) and a Monk (55). Both have their epics but only the Rogue is geared at the moment. I am kind of leaning towards monk seeing as how they can solo and I will be coming back alone sadly, but I know that rogues are much easier to get back into as far as their group role. Anyways, does the server lack one or the other? and if not, which do you think would be the better choice?

Thanks!

[Muggens]

Wizard!

[DromalPhrenia]

I don’t think the server lacks either class but it definitely does not lack monks.

[Tethler]

There are enough of everything, but rogues are always useful to have more.

[Jimjam]

Honestly, I think a monk will find more use out of being geared than an epic rogue.

I've been in plenty of groups where I've been tanking with 2 or 3 rogues DPSing. When I have to briefly go afk and suggest someone covers tanking I can guarantee the rogues will just sit there doing nothing until I get back and everyone will be okay with that (even though rogues take hits far better than an equivalently geared ranger, which are often in a tank role).

As a consequence of this, rogues can be rather neglectful of their armour as the truth is they will rarely take hits.

A monk on the other hand is likely to be pressured into tanking, or might take a few rounds of melee from splitting a couple of NPCs, so is worthwhile being geared to a standard that will half decently mitigate XP mobs.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly, I think a monk will find more use out of being geared than an epic rogue.

I've been in plenty of groups where I've been tanking with 2 or 3 rogues DPSing. When I have to briefly go afk and suggest someone covers tanking I can guarantee the rogues will just sit there doing nothing until I get back and everyone will be okay with that (even though rogues take hits far better than an equivalently geared ranger, which are often in a tank role).

As a consequence of this, rogues can be rather neglectful of their armour as the truth is they will rarely take hits.

A monk on the other hand is likely to be pressured into tanking, or might take a few rounds of melee from splitting a couple of NPCs, so is worthwhile being geared to a standard that will half decently mitigate XP mobs.

I'm sorry man but this is 100% not true. My rogue is squishy as hell! Rangers way out tank a rogue! My rogue tanks maybe on par with a bard but probably still worse.
If I take 4X combat rounds I'm in trouble or the healer is oom.

Honestly OP I'm biased because I love rogues but Id say if you're leaning monk play that. Your rogue will be waiting when you are ready. Its not as if he's going anywhere!

[deathusurper]

Will agree with the Monk for the versatility factor alone. High melee DPS, tanking while the main assist is on AFK, splitting/pulling solo mobs, and the ability to solo rules. And the triple attack patch is arriving soonish for Monks.

But Only wondering, Jimjam. What camps are you expecting a Rogue to tank willingly? And over a Ranger? Well played Rangers are far better than any comparable Rogue for tanking.

[Jimjam]

It is a little surprising to hear you feel rangers so easily out tank your rogue.

Honestly, I'm not really expecting a rogue to take the tank role over a ranger; Rangers have great tools for controlling mobs, which rogues don't. Rogues do great dos with backstabbing. The meta dictates rangera gear and buff to tank adequately and keep their defence skills up. From what I understand these are not such priorities to a rogue?

My point is rogues aren't expected to step up as tank while maintank is AFK or has to unexpectedly leave. As such you're not exactly obliged to gear up much beyond epic+offhand.

[Muggens]

Anyone can tank a slowed mob[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] tanked king camp improv many times with my rogue.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is a little surprising to hear you feel rangers so easily out tank your rogue.

Honestly, I'm not really expecting a rogue to take the tank role over a ranger; Rangers have great tools for controlling mobs, which rogues don't. Rogues do great dos with backstabbing. The meta dictates rangera gear and buff to tank adequately and keep their defence skills up. From what I understand these are not such priorities to a rogue?

My point is rogues aren't expected to step up as tank while maintank is AFK or has to unexpectedly leave. As such you're not exactly obliged to gear up much beyond epic+offhand.

Rogue defensive skills are better than most people give them credit for. They mitigate and avoid aggro better than rangers. Rangers function in the tank role globally better thanks to potent, cheap, and fast casting aggro, but when it comes to who actually takes less damage when being beat on, rogues are undeniably superior. Unlike rangers, though, when they ARE taking the damage they take a massive hit to their primary duty of making things dead (no backstab). Rangers suffer no more or less damage output than any of the real plate tanks or a monk.

Rouges can tank, it’s just not ideal to have them do it. Dps drops acutely and they’ve got no real way of quickly establishing and aggro lead or getting it back once it’s lost.