Do I wear or use anything that was built with slave labor and will I face judgment?

[ScaringChildren]

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[misterbonkers]

depends, do you wear anything made in the US? chances are high you already do if so

[clevergirl]

What if everything you get is 2cnd hand from good will or out of a dumpster?

I'm sure I wear something that is triggering to someone.

Some people have a lot of agency to help free slaves. Others are slaves themselves. I guess it depends on the subjective nature of slavery.

Most people work because they can't support themselves off the land. Essentially most workers in America are indentured to the corporations they work for, and have no agency in the matter. This is how slavery is propagated in a free market.

I'm not saying other systems of slavery are better, or that human hierarchies work without some form of slavery. I am saying if you want to be truly free you have to break your reliance on the state and your employer to keep you fed and safe.

If you buy into a power company here, or buy from whole foods, you are a slave to someone else. We all rely on the military. If we had a true frontier where you could move and build your own private infrastructure, create your own power. You might have the ability to free yourselves.

Until then, your life is incorporated through the United States of America, and you are hers.

[Phenyo]

america was built on slavery
hope this helps

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Phenyo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

america was built on slavery
hope this helps

is. 13th amendment dawg

[JurisDictum]

I just bought these shoes:

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Someone gave me $200 in Nike giftcards for my birthday... and I didn't have weightlifting shoes.

Nike is pretty famous for child labor.

Is it my fault that as some peasant given Nike giftcards I bought shoes with them instead of chucking them in the trash?

That's John Locke's argument...

I think that's bullshit. You don't necessarily approve of middle east wars when you fill your car up with gas and you don't think it's OK to discriminate against gays when you buy a Chick-fil-A sandwich*.

This is why we have laws and voting. If we could just act as some kind of disciplined group of consumer activists -- we wouldn't have the problems we do. We can't. You can't hold people to that.

Rich people are big fans of consumer activism because it allows them to feel morally superior but doesn't really affect the bottom line of their stock portfolio (because it doesn't work).

[Swish2]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just bought these shoes:

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Someone gave me $200 in Nike giftcards for my birthday... and I didn't have weightlifting shoes.

Nike is pretty famous for child labor.

It's funny how nobody forgets the legacy of slavery but a lot of famous sportspeople are seen in Nikes... Michael Jordan among them. Is he supporting slavery or not? Is JurisDictum?

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[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just bought these shoes:

Attachment 10338

Someone gave me $200 in Nike giftcards for my birthday... and I didn't have weightlifting shoes.

Nike is pretty famous for child labor.

Is it my fault that as some peasant given Nike giftcards I bought shoes with them instead of chucking them in the trash?

That's John Locke's argument...

I think that's bullshit. You don't necessarily approve of middle east wars when you fill your car up with gas and you don't think it's OK to discriminate against gays when you buy a Chick-fil-A sandwich*.

This is why we have laws and voting. If we could just act as some kind of disciplined group of consumer activists -- we wouldn't have the problems we do. We can't. You can't hold people to that.

Rich people are big fans of consumer activism because it allows them to feel morally superior but doesn't really affect the bottom line of their stock portfolio (because it doesn't work).

i think consumer activism does work. The NFL has taken a big hit since players have knelt during the national anthem.

Also, the bus boycotts in the south seemed to work pretty well. The only time consumer activism doesnt work is when the government continues to subsidize the business or group. Our public school systems are a great example of this.

The reason why consumer choice fails when it does, is because the reason for the boycott or shift wasnt all that important in the first place.

just my 2 cents

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Topgunben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think consumer activism does work. The NFL has taken a big hit since players have knelt during the national anthem.

Also, the bus boycotts in the south seemed to work pretty well. The only time consumer activism doesnt work is when the government continues to subsidize the business or group. Our public school systems are a great example of this.

The reason why consumer choice fails when it does, is because the reason for the boycott or shift wasnt all that important in the first place.

just my 2 cents

consumer choice fails when people can't afford consumer choice. Which is most people these days. Especially since companies like Amazon, Facebook etc are monopolies.

NFL is doing fine. A small hit does not means consumer choice "works" at changing behavior of the company.

Keep in mind the argument is not that consumer choice doesn't mean anything. The argument is that consumer choice is an ineffective way to change policy.

You bring up some notable exceptions with the Bus Boycott. That's because that vast majority of black people, all at once, stopped riding the bus for a considerable length of time. That has rarely been repeated. Keep in mind the boycott was a relatively localized affair...not global like a Nike boycott would have to be.

[Schaduwridder]

If it wasn't made in the US it was made by children or slaves.