Lore wise, are the Claws of Veeshan evil?

[Tobius]

Veeshan herself seems like she was kind of a dick, beefing with Brell who is a good dude.

The CoV dragons are just isolationists who want to chill and worship their god in peace?

Is it ethical to kill them? Especially to kill the poor little key dropping drake after you've already befriended them to ally?

Not a troll post. Genuine ethical question over elf simulator pixels.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tobius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it ethical to kill them?

Is it ethical to kill most of the stuff we kill in EQ? Of course not: ethics says that if some being(s) are hanging out somewhere and they're not hurting anyone, then it's unethical to go hurt them. That description applies to most mobs, even many "evil" ones.

Plus, of the remaining mobs that fight with each other, who's to say who is good or evil? Are the Trolls evil for defending their home? Sure they are primitive cannibals who conquered their home from other primitives, but so were some native peoples; did that make it ok for the Europeans to wipe them out?

Similarly, the Frogloks want to take back their ancestral home using violence ... so basically they're like the Palestinian people: does that make them evil?

Questions of ethics are best left for the real world; in EQ ethics are what you make of them, faction is all that really matters.

[Skinned]

ITT: Palestinians are Frogloks.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Similarly, the Frogloks want to take back their ancestral home using violence ... so basically they're like the Palestinian people: does that make them evil?

you answered your own question here [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Neno]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plus, of the remaining mobs that fight with each other, who's to say who is good or evil? Are the Trolls evil for defending their home? Sure they are primitive cannibals who conquered their home from other primitives, but so were some native peoples; did that make it ok for the Europeans to wipe them out?

Similarly, the Frogloks want to take back their ancestral home using violence ... so basically they're like the Palestinian people: does that make them evil?

Guk was originally the troll city.

The frogloks invaded Guk and kicked the trolls out. Grobb is what little remains of the old troll civilization and the frogloks are still committing genocide against the trolls.

[MagpieRockyl]

Veeshan is a space dragon and put dragons on Norrath first, before anyone, including your precious Brell. Brell and the other gods came second and made mortal races to compete for Norrath.

It really depends on your moral code. Do you believe in manifest destiny as a mortal race? After all, your god created YOU to reclaim Australia (norrath) from the Abo dogs (dragon brood).

Mostly, dragons dindu nuffin and you're a dick for hunting them.

The funny thing is that Veeshan is a swole as birch who is off terraforming and colonizing other planets with her dragoons, she's so alfalfa she doesn't even care about this puny world.

The real answer to your question is that YES it is ethical, as long as you are a halfling or working for Mayor Gubbin. Mayor Gubbin is the biggest Democratic leader in all of Norrath and he is voted into office by the people. Rivervale leads the entire planet in terms of highly developed democratic capitalist system. The hobbits are a truly FREE people, and this is why we are so often hunted and harmed by the NON-FREE people of NOrrath (iksar scum who quake beneath the rule of their tyrants). The juxtaposition between Rivervale and Cabilis is a direct nod to the early 70s movie Easy Rider. The thesis of Easy Rider is that being free, truly free, frightens people more than anything. And that the most dangerous people are those who 'believe' they are free, yet are prisoners of their society. The iksar scum are the rednecks of Easy Rider while the good Hobbits are the pure hearted cocaine dealing free boys who ride their choppers on a glorious trip thru America.

Furthermore, Cabilis must be destroyed. The Rivervale Vanguard follows Decree IV of Article XIV of the Rivervale Constitution, which is that Rivervale must destroy her enemies both at home and abroad. Therefore, whenever the hobbit Council identifies a foreign threat, the Vanguard is fully sanctioned by Dear Leader Gubbin to dispose of that threat in its own home and to reap whatever platinum gains may be had, to bring the platinum gains back to Rivervale, and to increase the production of Jum.

The most important thing you can do, if you care about GOOD in Norrath, is to ally yourself with Gubbin and help in the conquest of all Norrath. We must unite the world beneath Gubbin. The hobbits will make you free!!

[knottyb0y]

Originally Posted by MagpieRockyl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Furthermore, Cabilis must be destroyed. The Rivervale Vanguard follows Decree IV of Article XIV of the Rivervale Constitution, which is that Rivervale must destroy her enemies both at home and abroad. Therefore, whenever the hobbit Council identifies a foreign threat, the Vanguard is fully sanctioned by Dear Leader Gubbin to dispose of that threat in its own home and to reap whatever platinum gains may be had, to bring the platinum gains back to Rivervale, and to increase the production of Jum.

The most important thing you can do, if you care about GOOD in Norrath, is to ally yourself with Gubbin and help in the conquest of all Norrath. We must unite the world beneath Gubbin. The hobbits will make you free!!

First of all this Halfling propaganda must be stopped! We who dwell in Cabilis thrive under the constant fear of execution and exile from our brethren. Consequence leads to a strong society where the weak are pushed out and the strong rule. Unlike those muffin eating fur foots with their "democratically elected mayor" whom has held his seat of power uncontested for years.

Concerning the Claws of Veeshan. Never forget what the Ring of Scale did to the mighty Sebilisian Empire! Nothing stops the Claws of Veeshan from repeating this tragedy. To have peace we must make war! Every lost life at the hand of the draconic menace can not be forgotten and can not be forgiven. Every time that vile Woushi slays an innocent traveler must be avenged. Yelinak is a liar and even now they prepare to strike at Norrath.

Claws of Veeshan are like cockroaches, it is always ethical to kill a pest. Slay these "isolationists" for the glory of the empire.

[Psionide]

Originally Posted by knottyb0y [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all this Halfling propaganda must be stopped! We who dwell in Cabilis thrive under the constant fear of execution and exile from our brethren. Consequence leads to a strong society where the weak are pushed out and the strong rule. Unlike those muffin eating fur foots with their "democratically elected mayor" whom has held his seat of power uncontested for years.

I'm glad others are finally starting to see through the halfling propaganda! My own people have had our beautiful Nektulos forest invaded by these Jum addicted imperialists! Gubbin is effectively running a corrupt narco state.

[MagpieRockyl]

Originally Posted by Psionide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad others are finally starting to see through the halfling propaganda! My own people have had our beautiful Nektulos forest invaded by these Jum addicted imperialists! Gubbin is effectively running a corrupt narco state.

Fake. News.

[Crawdad]

I've always assumed raiders were the bad guys.

Nagafen and Vox: Dragons being dragons
Venril Sathir: Just some old lizard floating in his castle
Trakanon: Just some old undead dragon being a dragon
Vesshan's Peak: More dragons being dragons
Gorenaire/Talendor/Severilous: Dragons enjoying a stroll
Dain, Tormax, Yelinak: Just some dudes trying to lead their people
Sleepers Tomb: We ruin a dragon jail because we can
Planes of Power: We fuck things up so bad we have to be sent back in time

Luclin has.. some kind of rationale, but all I remember is VT key PTSD.