Does Double Attack, Riposte, etc affect weapon procs?

[Ransurian]

This is probably a noob question, but...

Aside from PPM and such, I haven't been able to find a whole lot of information on how weapon procs actually work. Does anyone actually know whether events like Riposte or the "free swing" from Double Attack can cause weapons to proc?

I guess it boils down to whether or not the game considers the "free attack" from the above abilities to be a normal weapon swing. Is this the case, or does the game ignore those "free attacks" when it comes to weapon procs?

[Ransurian]

Good to know. ^^ Thanks. Hopefully my venomous axe of the velium brood won't be quite as underwhelming on my Warrior once I get Double Attack and skill it up.

[Trazic]

Originally Posted by Ransurian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good to know. ^^ Thanks. Hopefully my venomous axe of the velium brood won't be quite as underwhelming on my Warrior once I get Double Attack and skill it up.

That weapon will not get better as you level. It will never be better than it was at level 1. Other weapons with much better ratios will surpass it.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Trazic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That weapon will not get better as you level. It will never be better than it was at level 1. Other weapons with much better ratios will surpass it.

It get's 'better' when duel wield is first trained as proc:melee damage is initially heavily skewed in favour of proc at low skill... But it's still not amazeballs, as proc rate in secondary is half that of primary.

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Npcs can proc on riposte but not players. Fact.

I've seen people advise using evasive on Venril Sathir and similar NPCs. The reasoning I saw is it reduces his proc rate. Can NPC's only proc on hits? I'm sure I've had sonic bats proc on me when they miss while under evasive, but I haven't looked at this in detail.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can NPC's only proc on hits? I'm sure I've had sonic bats proc on me when they miss while under evasive, but I haven't looked at this in detail.

That's an interesting question. What if the npc in question isn't 'procing' and is actually using an instant cast spell that has a cooldown? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Baler]

Also you can proc on a miss. How or why this is possible I do not know.
at least SK's can that I know of personally with vampiric embrace for example.

[Jimjam]

Hackattack: Do you have logs showing a double proc with a double attack?

OP: You might be interested to know the off hand can proc even when duel wield fails to produce a swing. This is more important at low levels where duel wield is at a much lower skill.

Nibblewitz: NPCs cheat! I can confirm (at least for Furious disc) ripostes will not generate procs (earthshakers would be incredible if they did)... indeed (under furious disc) ripostes don't even seem to generate any aggro!

[Ransurian]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hackattack: Do you have logs showing a double proc with a double attack?

OP: You might be interested to know the off hand can proc even when duel wield fails to produce a swing. This is more important at low levels where duel wield is at a much lower skill.

Interesting. So it's not true that double attack increases proc rate? That's a bit of a bummer. However, it's interesting that a weapon can proc in the offhand slot even when the weapon doesn't swing.

So, if I'm level 15 and I have a venomous axe and a Lammy, would it be more beneficial to have Lammy in my main hand and the axe in my offhand, or should I keep the axe in my main hand for more procs? They have a pretty similar ratio, but I think Lammy edges it out just a bit.

[Baler]

I'm pretty sure some if not most or all procs have a hidden cooldown. So you cant get procs back to back.
Just like how Mage pet's procs have a hidden cooldown before they can proc(cast) again.

So you can't get two procs because of a double attack. Two separate procs can proc back to back or even at the same time however. Such as Boon of the garouu and vampiric embrace. I've seen them both proc at the same time on 1 hit.

Inb4 this thread somehow get's proc's nerfed. >_<

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And yes NPCs 'cheat'. Suspiciously coded for extra challenge.

[Jimjam]

At that level stick best ratio in primary, which is lammy anyway. When the axe in off hand swings or procs that's just a bonus. If it swings and proc you won the lottery :P.


Also, on the double attack thing I don't know. I didn't ask for logs because I think it can't be proved, but rather because I don't know either way.