My experience with a raid guild on P99

[Lhancelot]

Just a forewarning, this is probably a TL;DR post for many.

Since starting on P99, I always wanted to be part of a guild where people worked together and the emphasis was on having fun with the people in the guild while gearing members mains in a fair manner. You know, people first, pixels second.

After taking a long break from the game, I decided to come back about a year ago. I began leveling older alts, and I would often run into a guy who was a lvl 60. After a couple months of always chatting with him, he always would suggest that I join the guild he was in. It was a raiding guild, and in his words, the people were great! He told me once I got to 55 lvl or so, to apply and I would no doubt find it a great guild to be a part of.

After I thought it over, and got one of my characters to 55 lvl, I decided to app for this particular guild. I ran with some officers, we did some grouping and after about the third time, they offered me a tag as an app, which then after consistent raid attendance would be upgraded to full member status (as long as I seemed to fit personality-wise, too).

What I personally found after a couple months in the guild was this:

1. I found the guild to be cliquey, where people never offered to group with others, only their pals and buddies.

2. I found that raid loot was more easily accessed to alts of established members than it was to new members who had mains with low tier gears on.

3. I found that when on a raid I was unfamiliar with, I hardly could get any direction on what or where to go from other guild members. I felt like I was inconveniencing them with questions, and rarely did anyone ever offer to explain or help me when I needed it without me having to send multiple tells to different players until one could find the time to help me.

4. I found that non-established members had to beg for the guild to help with some portion of their epics to be done, yet often times an established member would flash his brand new epic in guild chat, proudly showing it off when he already has multiple toons with epics.

Often times, in guild chat a newer member would even ask what they had to do to get some help with an epic, and they were told "just make sure you help others out, and eventually you will get help for yours." Yet, when one of the core members needed his epic piece, it was taken care of often times under the radar.

These are just some of the things from my perspective that I didn't like.

Basically I felt like there was no relationship with the majority of newer members and only the most favored in the guild were the ones that benefited the most with no concern for those newer members. I also felt like the thirst for pixels was insane. It seemed to overcast everything the majority of the guild members did, particularly the officers and guild leadership.


To finish my TL;DR story, the guy who influenced me to join the guild abruptly left the game literally the week I joined, I have not seen him since. My "main" which I used to enjoy playing I hate now, because I feel disdain and resentment towards the guild the toon is in. I don't want to be a quitter, but at the same time I honestly feel no connection with this guild whatsoever.

I realize that I am going to end up leaving this guild, obviously it's not working and I am not having fun with this guild, thus I cannot stay in it.

Perhaps I am just too idealistic? Maybe what I see isn't what others see or experience?

Obviously not every member was/is a pixel-craving fiend who cares nothing for anyone only their precious shinies. Generally speaking though, the above is my experience in totality.

My real question is this. Are all raid guilds like this? Is this just the nature of the beast? Are there any successful raid guilds with a smaller member count, that have members who actually work together who help others even those not in their special clique?

I guess basically I felt like venting a little bit, and I am wondering if others have had similar experiences as I have had. I also think that perhaps I simply aint cut out for guilds on this game or server. That's a very good possibility too.

[Erati]

what was the guild

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what was the guild

I don't want to turn this into a guild bashing thing, because I understand that one's perception is often times not shared by others.

I suppose writing this post does no good at all. Probably would have been better to keep it to myself and just leave the guild, honestly speaking.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what was the guild

Can confirm this is every guild ever. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[astuce999]

I second what Qaos said. Try to always have a Kennedy speech approach to the guild (ask not what the guild can do for you but what you can do for the guild). It may feel to you that you've done that already but keep at it, it eventually is reciprocated.

If I have a couple hours to play when I log in my first interaction with the guild is always "is there anything fun going on?" or "anyone need any help with anything?"

Plus it's fun to help others. Except Madye.

Astuce

<3 Madye

[fan D]

yeah sounds like you got some entitlement issues, also sounds like you have a phobia of speaking and getting to know new people

you're a random person who probably isn't contributing much on raids and will never be a factor in whether the guild succeeds or fails, so people aren't going to really care about you. Especially if you're quiet and don't branch out and force the issue

you gotta do some shit on your own and not expect everything to be handed to u

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by fan D [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah sounds like you got some entitlement issues, also sounds like you have a phobia of speaking and getting to know new people

you're a random person who probably isn't contributing much on raids and will never be a factor in whether the guild succeeds or fails, so people aren't going to really care about you. Especially if you're quiet and don't branch out and force the issue

you gotta do some shit on your own and not expect everything to be handed to u

I can see and understand your view, particularly when all you have to go on is the post I wrote. Obviously I couldn't go into all the details or the post would have been even longer.

I have no problem giving my time or ingame items to those who need and did so while in this guild. For instance, I had items that were no-drop pieces for epics that I gave to others in the guild (not sell) instead of MQing them for money like most people do. I didn't broadcast this in guild chat though, either.

As for "branching out and forcing the issue", I have no problem being social but you are right about me not forcing issues when I want something. I never been the type that "forced the issue" to get stuff and so maybe that's part of my problem too. I feel like if I give my time and attention to others without them begging for it, this should be reciprocated. If I have to "force the issue" to get the help of a guild, guess I don't need to be in a guild.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like if I give my time and attention to others without them begging for it, this should be reciprocated. If I have to "force the issue" to get the help of a guild, guess I don't need to be in a guild.

Unilateral agreements are a road to disappointment :c Not everyone thinks the same as you, but you seem to understand that ^^ The simplest solution is to of course leave. If it is an uncomfortable atmosphere that you don't want to deal with, I wouldn't blame you for doing so. However, I would encourage you to be more reserved in your charity. A gift given with expectation is a purchase, not a gift. You are not being magnanimous in doing so. If you really like someone though and genuinely want to help them out, then by all means, do that, but do not do it when not relationship exists because without conveying your own desires others will just assume you are doing it to because you want to. I am generally wary of gifts for this reason because many people do think as you do and unless I have a relationship with you I don't really care about you and don't want to disappoint :/ I am generally happy to do whatever with whomever though, but there are very few people I would/have gifted anything to or move at the drop of a hat to help. I value them.

[fan D]

these people who are getting gear on their 2nd and 3rd alts before you are deserving of all of it. these are the people who are responsible for your guild to get any loot at all, they do all the work. you would never ever be able to kill one of these dragons without them tracking and socking it for you.

i can tell by your attitude that you're not much of a player or bring much value to a raid, you should be lucky to get anything at all tbh

[Nune]

Originally Posted by fan D [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

these people who are getting gear on their 2nd and 3rd alts before you are deserving of all of it. these are the people who are responsible for your guild to get any loot at all, they do all the work. you would never ever be able to kill one of these dragons without them tracking and socking it for you.

i can tell by your attitude that you're not much of a player or bring much value to a raid, you should be lucky to get anything at all tbh

^ perfect example of the population to avoid around here, there's a whole lot of em