Gnome Shadowknights and Erudite Warriors?

[LordRayken]

I remember this used to be a funny topic that never really made sense.

Was it ever fully established why Gnomes could be Warriors and Necromancers, but not Shadowknights? Likewise, what about Erudite's being Shadowknights and Necromancers but not Warriors?

I suppose the culture of Erudites wouldn't be one of Warriors, but Gnomes?

I also always wanted that Ogre Rogue. Those backstabs.

[Jimjam]

I'd like to open up half elf shadow knights, rogues and bards of innoruuk! As it is an innoruuk worshipping half elf can only study the ways of the warrior (and much of neriak detests the pitiful mudbloods)!

[Evia]

I've had this conversation with some eq friends about what class/race combo isn't allowed in eq, but should be.

For me, I've never understood why Iksars can't be rogues. It seems fitting to me.

[Nixtar]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For me, I've never understood why Iksars can't be rogues. It seems fitting to me.

Everything about the Iksar is either/both(Shadow knight)about domination(Shaman/Necro) and facing your opponent head on(Warrior and monk). They would never stoop to the cowardly or spiteful ways of a rogue, as their entire existence is to instill fear and terror(Cazic Thule) in their enemies, not hide away in the shadows.

Their entire culture is built around it. Note that most, if not all, exiles and pariahs are bandits or thieves further reinforce the idea these kinds of individuals are looked down upon to the point where they're shunned and cast out by the Iksar empire. In other words, the strong survive and the weak die or are cast out.

For similar reasons I do not think you'd see an ogre rogue. Wouldn't sit well with Rallos, I think.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Nixtar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything about the Iksar is either/both(Shadow knight)about domination(Shaman/Necro) and facing your opponent head on(Warrior and monk). They would never stoop to the cowardly or spiteful ways of a rogue, as their entire existence is to instill fear and terror(Cazic Thule) in their enemies, not hide away in the shadows.

Their entire culture is built around it. Note that most, if not all, exiles and pariahs are bandits or thieves further reinforce the idea these kinds of individuals are looked down upon to the point where they're shunned and cast out by the Iksar empire. In other words, the strong survive and the weak die or are cast out.

For similar reasons I do not think you'd see an ogre rogue. Wouldn't sit well with Rallos, I think.

There are a lot of npc iksar rogues, but I guess cabalisian iksar are above that?

[Nixtar]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are a lot of npc iksar rogues, but I guess cabalisian iksar are above that?

Exactly, those who turn to rogue-like ways are cast out(the word pariah means someone who is shunned or cast out from society, for example). Then there are Iksar exiles, bandits, and marauders. The shaman epic has a mob called Iksar Manslayer which is denoted as dishonourable and having a dark soul.

So while a rogue may be able to cause terror from the shadows, the once dominant and proud Iksars of Cab simply believe it is beneath them. It is true monks have some tricks up their sleeve but ultimately it is about martial prowess and not about stabbing people in the back, and with the Necro/SK you see them coming, they destroy you over time and use fear and terror in a way you know and see who's doing it to you. A Cazic Shaman is probably more like a Defiler from EQ2 in that it focus on spiritual domination over communication.

[Bummey]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've had this conversation with some eq friends about what class/race combo isn't allowed in eq, but should be.

Halfling ranger.

[LordRayken]

Originally Posted by Bummey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Halfling ranger.

I'd like to play a Halfing Ranger too.

I always thought a Dark Elf Druid would be pretty cool.

[LordRayken]

I've never known much about EQ lore. It's interesting how deep it actually goes in the original few expansions. I wonder what it says about Gnomes and Shadowknights and or Erudites as Shadowknights/Paladins but not Warriors.

Ogre Rogue or Troll Rogue seems like it could work, obviously it's hard to imagine them sneaking though.

[Videri]

Originally Posted by LordRayken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what about Erudite's being Shadowknights and Necromancers but not Warriors?

I suppose the culture of Erudites wouldn't be one of Warriors

Yeah. I think it is mentioned somewhere in the lore that Erudites scoff at physical labor and muscle power, preferring to rely on mind and magic.

Originally Posted by LordRayken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also always wanted that Ogre Rogue. Those backstabs.

Ah, but checks and balances. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] No Silver Skeeter in RPGs... That's from an episode of Doug where Skeeter pretends to be a superhero along with Doug's rather pathetic "Quailman," but Skeeter's "Silver Skeeter" has every super-power in the book...flight, strength, laser beam vision, and on and on...and his character's overwhelming powers stifled the story. Because stories are about overcoming things, not steamrolling content.

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For me, I've never understood why Iksars can't be rogues. It seems fitting to me.

I believe that would be because Iksar are Lawful Evil. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]