Comparing level 45 from Oct 2012 to level 45 from today

[Tecmos Deception]

On October 3 and 4 of 2012, my enchanter Tecmos went from 45 to 46 in LOIO killing 124 bloodgill goblins and 1 bloodgill maurader. During this time there was no server XP bonus (to my knowledge), but Tecmos WAS suffering from the 10% experience penalty all int casters had back then.

On July 2, 3, and 4 of 2016, my enchanter Noman went from 45 to 46 in LOIO killing 113 bloodgill goblins. During this time, there was a 25% XP bonus, and Noman was NOT suffering from the 10% experience penalty. Assuming that over the course of 100+ bloodgill goblin spawns, the average level of goblin Tecmos and Noman killed were VERY CLOSE... Noman should only have needed to kill ~91 goblins to get all the way through 45.

I could buy it if it took him 95 or even 100. But 113? Something changed or something is wrong with either the zone or the mobs or the experience formula.


PS - If I break charm and then kill my former pet first, then the other mob... is that going to give different XP than breaking charm and killing the other mob first, then my former pet?

[Trungep99]

Probably based off of the goblin levels. Maybe you killed more greens than expected. Also did you die at all?

[Evia]

Who stole my tin foil hat?

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS - If I break charm and then kill my former pet first, then the other mob... is that going to give different XP than breaking charm and killing the other mob first, then my former pet?

It shouldn't.

That is weird though.

[Jimjam]

Did you perhaps die more?

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Trungep99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probably based off of the goblin levels. Maybe you killed more greens than expected. Also did you die at all?

I didn't die at all. No blood gills are green yet at 45.

And as for Noman having "bad luck" and fighting stuff that was lower level? i'd literally have had to get max-level spawns all the time on Tecmos and min-level spawns all the time on Noman. Do you know what the odds are of RNGing (1/4) or (1/5)^238 are? Do you really think I ran into a once-since-the-dawn-of-the-universe event here? Besides, my logs show I faced a variety of levels (based on max hits) with both chanters, so this can't possibly explain things.

[Tewaz]

Bunch of whiners in this thread. There isn't a lot of pvp on red at the moment, and most happens at 56+. Griefers exists still, but I think I've seen one of the MM twinks twice in two months and I've leveled a few characters through there in that time.

[Jimjam]

Could be the ZEM of the zone got modded?

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Could be the ZEM of the zone got modded?

^ this right here

mystery solved

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

125 kills to earn level 45 with old xp formula and no server xp bonus put the ZEM just above 100 (and that's being generous with he average level of the goblins. Thanks for your opinion that isnt backed up by a log though.

So you're saying you hunted through patch logs instead of just checking the wiki zem list? LoIO is currently listed at 60 ZEM with 75 being a "normal" zem. AKA LoIO currently gives about ~20%ish less exp than a zone with a normal zem. Also bloodgill goblins' levels vary, so I dont think youre ever going to get a 100% accurate parse of mobs killed vs exp gained unless you factored in mob level as well.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying you hunted through patch logs instead of just checking the wiki zem list? LoIO is currently listed at 60 ZEM with 75 being a "normal" zem. AKA LoIO currently gives about ~20%ish less exp than a zone with a normal zem. Also bloodgill goblins' levels vary, so I dont think youre ever going to get a 100% accurate parse of mobs killed vs exp gained unless you factored in mob level as well.

Patch logs? I'm looking at my logs, and the easily-verified experience formula from the wiki. Wiki ZEM list is pretty bad really, cause it's just the stock emu one with like 10 random changes that consist of comments like "ZEM seems higher."

LOIO is goofy to begin with. http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...highlight=LOIO shows a post where I mention that I tested killing a level 1 mob with a level 1 iksar and saw a ZEM of 75 in the same day that I was experiencing a different ZEM at blood gills.

And over the course of 100+ kills, the average level of the blood gills will be what matters, not the fact that I theoretically could see nothing except min or max level ones in any given level 45.


Oh well. I've brought this kinda stuff up before and had as much constructive discussion as this time around [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]