Were you trained? Or were you a road block?

Lojik · #1 05-29-2016, 10:24 AM

Any distinguished lawyers here who can clarify for us exactly when a party is or isn't liable for npcs they pull onto another party? I know people here love rules!

Put this in rnf cause you know it's gonna go here anyway

Pokesan · #2 05-29-2016, 10:46 AM

You're always responsible for the mobs you pull. However offended parties must have standing to file a claim, usually means your group/raid being trained to death.

Bard trains exist in a quasi-legal grey area - you're allowed to pull off their swarms, but it's not illegal for them to zone out or die on purpose to punish you for doing so.

Savok · #3 05-29-2016, 10:54 AM

First, although I'm a bard I never swarm - I can't stand doing it and I think its zone disruption so I don't.

Having said that if someone has agro on a mob why do you think you can pull mobs off of him/her? Why is having agro on more than one mob different than a solo pull? If you pulled 4 mobs to a group can I pull a mob off of you because you have agro on more than 1?

Expediency · #4 05-30-2016, 04:51 PM

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First, although I'm a bard I never swarm - I can't stand doing it and I think its zone disruption so I don't.

Having said that if someone has agro on a mob why do you think you can pull mobs off of him/her? Why is having agro on more than one mob different than a solo pull? If you pulled 4 mobs to a group can I pull a mob off of you because you have agro on more than 1?

You absolutely can not pull mobs off a 4 mob kite. I believe the ruling by the GMs is that 4 mobs is legitimate, as is swarm kiting, but if a person has more than 4 mobs, you may pull one from the swarm.

I would infer from this rule that a group could legitimately pull 4 mobs per person at one time before they are breaking rules but thats just my interpretation. I cant see why any group would pull more than 5-6 at a time, but if you are handling the camp someone cant just run up and snatch a mob because you have 4 mezzed while you fight one. There are plenty of camps that require handling 4+ mobs to initially break them.

maerilith · #5 05-29-2016, 10:58 AM

Depends on how your petition quest goes. IMO I think anytime there's a dispute players should be tried just like an American Criminal trial and GMs could just randomly summon players out of the world into a jury pool waiting room and you could have in game players be real in game lawyers and pick players based on their personal biases and try to find out who is right and who is wrong.

Pokesan · #6 05-29-2016, 11:01 AM

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Depends on how your petition quest goes. IMO I think anytime there's a dispute players should be tried just like an American Criminal trial and GMs could just randomly summon players out of the world into a jury pool waiting room and you could have in game players be real in game lawyers and pick players based on their personal biases and try to find out who is right and who is wrong.

Archeage had player courts and jail soccer. So much wasted potential in that game.

maerilith · #7 05-29-2016, 11:06 AM

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Archeage had player courts and jail soccer. So much wasted potential in that game.

I loved ashrons calls Allegiance was an awesome way to positively reinforce good players by allowing them to have vassals and rewarding players instead of punishing them.

But player court fuckyeah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maerilith · #8 05-29-2016, 10:59 AM

would love to summon half a guild who just got FTE to be the jury at the trial of a level 13 newbs prosecution after a train of beetles in unrest.

Feel me?

Pokesan · #9 05-29-2016, 10:59 AM

You can pull mobs off anyone if they have more than 4. Pulling off when it's 4 or less is KSing.

Trollhide · #10 05-29-2016, 02:32 PM

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You can pull mobs off anyone if they have more than 4. Pulling off when it's 4 or less is KSing.

What if you have 5 mobs and one of them is named with pro loots? Is it legal to take the named one off them?

What if it's a raid mob and 4 trash mobs?

Asking for a friend