Suspensions and bans

[Itchybottom]

Why is it that someone gets punished, the community here instantly assumes the player is guilty and begins to berate them?

Another more curious thing is how these people being banned, often supported the "throw him to the lions" methodology, for others' being banned, then go to declare how bad this community is; after the role reversal has taken place.

Is this just a good example of herd behavior, or is there something else at work here that makes this community so consummately cantankerous?

[William_Munny15]

wait...what?

[Lucrio40]

Because to question a GM decision is to get punished as well, so it just became the default response.

[Itchybottom]

Originally Posted by Lucrio40 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because to question a GM decision is to get punished as well, so it just became the default response.

So what you're saying is... Welcome to the virtual third world country?

[Trimm]

Originally Posted by Itchybottom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it that someone gets punished, the community here instantly assumes the player is guilty and begins to berate them?

Because the GMs don't ban people on this server for no reason. They have a mountain of logs and server-side tracking tools to investigate each case. If a GM deems something is a bannable offense, chances are it is.

[mitic]

cool down itchy, everything is fine as long as rogean runs P99

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cool down itchy, everything is fine as long as rogean runs P99

i choked on my beer

[Itchybottom]

Originally Posted by Trimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because the GMs don't ban people on this server for no reason. They have a mountain of logs and server-side tracking tools to investigate each case. If a GM deems something is a bannable offense, chances are it is.

Warp detection for example has quite a few false positives, and there really isn't any type of detection method you can use for "boxing" that is reliable. You have to eye it and guess.

Example: I went to the trouble of writing an MQ2 plug-in that predicted movement on ProjectEQ, and told me which plug-in the user was using to follow their master. But if someone were to adjust the responsiveness or waypoint system used by their plug-in, my plug-in was made unreliable. Same goes for detection methods of common botting scripts, or behavior. Any deviation, and the detection is false, server side or not.

As far as a GM investigating in person, that's also difficult to determine if someone is boxing, or not. It's as I said, a guess at best. I could throw together automation that would fool a "Do this synchronized" test, but I don't think I could find a way to fool a test that pertains to the environment in game, e.g. "What am I standing by?" But you're right, in most cases, chances are... there is a reason for the ban, and it's probably witch hunting. It doesn't mean the entire server has to eat that person for lunch to prove some type of social patriotism. Moo.

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cool down itchy, everything is fine as long as rogean runs P99

Wait what, I thought Richardo was running p99?! I think we've lost some Focus here.

[Rahnza]

Originally Posted by Itchybottom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warp detection for example has quite a few false positives

Combine this with devs not really understanding how their own (emulated hehe) game works, and yeah, bad times for the playerbase. For example, I was presented with logs of two things for my ban: using a MacroQuest command to succor myself in Lower Guk and using MacroQuest to /target mobs in Kedge. Now, the most important fact is that I wasn't using MacroQuest, but even if you didn't believe that (and I of course have no proof), there were huge problems with the accusation. First of all, I died in Guk, and it wouldn't make sense to die if I just had some magical /succor ability. Second of all, it was over Christmas vacation and as I was on shared internet at the time, I was having horrendous lag issues. This wasn't even the first time I experienced this bug; die in a zone you're bound in with really high latency, and you'll respawn at random locations instead of your bind: succor, 0,0, etc. A bug that I had found, reported, and yet I was banned for it.

The Kedge thing was even more ridiculous. Everyone knew that Kedge was super buggy, apparently besides Rogean. When asked why I would only be loading MQ to /target in Kedge, a zone I only spent time in occasionally to beeline for a Phinny kill and gtfo, Rogean had no response. When asked to present me with logs of other people who had been in Kedge to see if they also had a lot of reported MQ /targeting, Rogean had no response.

So according to Rogean, my only uses of MacroQuest over several months was to /target random hammerheads and shit in Kedge for absolutely no reason, and to /succor once and only once in Lower Guk, after I had died, which would require a MQ plugin I've never even heard of.

As Judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense, it's horse shit. But unfortunately we don't have Judge Judy on the staff.

[Itchybottom]

Originally Posted by Rahnza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Combine this with devs not really understanding how their own (emulated hehe) game works, and yeah, bad times for the playerbase.

It's really not even emulated (such a dumb name choice with how far it's come), it's an codependent game of it's own. I get your point, though.

Originally Posted by Rahnza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So according to Rogean, my only uses of MacroQuest over several months was to /target random hammerheads and shit in Kedge for absolutely no reason, and to /succor once and only once in Lower Guk, after I had died, which would require a MQ plugin I've never even heard of.

I wasn't trying to be specific about the bans placed in this thread, I'm more or less trying to figure out the community side of things. Over several months though, sounds a little dubious and weighing towards Rogean's side. A few dozen hackerslog entries can be chalked up to mistakes, but a few months worth of positives is starting to sound like a reasonable ban. I don't know the situation.

Originally Posted by Rahnza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As Judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense, it's horse shit. But unfortunately we don't have Judge Judy on the staff.

Give Tralina a few years!