Game Mechanics: Sneak/FD Memblur

[Daldaen]

This has been mentioned many times, but it certainly deserves its own thread.

Sneak + FD when used in conjunction are vastly overpowered and not-classic.

This is the problem:

1. If you aggro any number of mobs (1 or 100 it doesn't matter)
2. You FD
3. You activate a successful Sneak

Once you stand, with sneak active, you are guaranteed a 100% chance that EVERY mob you previously had aggro on will memblur.

This is wrong, and there is no evidence I can find to support this ever being on live.

When standing from an FD every mob should have a random chance at membluring itself. This chance should increase based on successive FDs. So for 1 or 2 mobs you have a decent shot of membluring them, but it isn't guaranteed (RNG based) Atleast until they get back to their spawn points.

However now, you can guarantee a successful blur on any number of mobs due to this bug. It has persisted for far too long.

[EQsale]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has been mentioned many times, but it certainly deserves its own thread.

Sneak + FD when used in conjunction are vastly overpowered and not-classic.

This is the problem:

1. If you aggro any number of mobs (1 or 100 it doesn't matter)
2. You FD
3. You activate a successful Sneak

Once you stand, with sneak active, you are guaranteed a 100% chance that EVERY mob you previously had aggro on will memblur.

This is wrong, and there is no evidence I can find to support this ever being on live.

When standing from an FD every mob should have a random chance at membluring itself. This chance should increase based on successive FDs. So for 1 or 2 mobs you have a decent shot of membluring them, but it isn't guaranteed (RNG based) Atleast until they get back to their spawn points.

However now, you can guarantee a successful blur on any number of mobs due to this bug. It has persisted for far too long.

That is not correct

[Pint]

It is correct as long as the sneak was successful and nothing is facing you. Something that ppl are also not mentioning is that monks can exploit this in combat to wipe their aggro, essentially a very op version of rogue evade.

[EQsale]

so a monk FDing in combat too wipe his aggro is considered a exploit now? really

[Pint]

Originally Posted by EQsale [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so a monk FDing in combat too wipe his aggro is considered a exploit now? really

yes when it works 9/10 times

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by EQsale [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is not correct

yes it is

didn't play a monk on live and can't remember shit about FD mechanics, but i will agree that the way it currently works is incredibly overpowered/stupid

[eisley]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes it is

didn't play a monk on live and can't remember shit about FD mechanics, but i will agree that the way it currently works is incredibly overpowered/stupid

it's actually not true as OP wrote it, there is one minor but important distinction:

memblur only occurs if the monk stands while the mob is facing away. if it's facing you (even out of aggro range) it will reaggro, unless it otherwise blurred randomly

[Bones]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's actually not true as OP wrote it, there is one minor but important distinction:

memblur only occurs if the monk stands while the mob is facing away. if it's facing you (even out of aggro range) it will reaggro, unless it otherwise blurred randomly

This. It's just not really noticed because monks almost always sneak + stand when the mobs they are trying to split are all facing away and pathing back toward their spawn.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's actually not true as OP wrote it, there is one minor but important distinction:

memblur only occurs if the monk stands while the mob is facing away. if it's facing you (even out of aggro range) it will reaggro, unless it otherwise blurred randomly

yea no shit, don't think anyone thought otherwise though

[Ikon]

I know this is an old thread but the OP was right. FD -> Sneak only worked on low level mobs but only because FD always memblurred 100%. Read the quotes, read the thread, this is one month after Velious released.

35th+ level mobs don't always clear your name on the taunt list when you FD. One way to double check if they are headed back after you (and you can not actually see them behind a wall or such) you can press the sneak button before you get up, when you get up, do a "c"on to see if they are indifferent. If they have their back toward you and had a sucessful FD blur, and they con indifferent, you know that guy fell for it!

Autumn, what he said was sneak, then stand up from the feign and con the mob going back. If it's indiff, it memblurred. If it glares/scowls (assuming it's not an always scowls mob), it's time to hit the dirt.



I use this all the time. The sneak isn't memblurring you, the sneak is checking if you memblurred.



On lvl31- mobs (It's 32+ that don't always memblur, not 35), you can sneak and stand up as soon as they turn around to go back, saving you a little time.

Think about it this way. Say you are pulling something through all the twists and turns of Guk and have to feign it. Well once it starts going back to its spawn point/wandering path it will get out of visual range. To test to see if it is memblurred if you stand and sneak, chances are you are behind the mob still, So if its memblurred, and you stand up sneaking it should con indifferent.



IF you stand up sneaking, and it scowls:



1) Its still aggro'd on you, and its coming back to beat the living snot out of you.



OR



2) Its facing you and has been blurred.



At least that is my take on the tactic.

What this means for you is that when a mob has you on the hate list, they'll be scowls at your or threateningly, even while sneaking.



So when you FD and the mobs wander off, hit your sneak button. Then when you stand up con the mob, if it's indiff faction then you're not on his hate list. If it's scowls/threateningly then FD immediately, he'll still be running back.



In my experiences I've found that it works best after you FD, to FD 3 or 4 more times, whether or not you feel like hitting sneak during these is up to you, but re-sneak right before standing up. It seems to work best that way.

http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...ill-tips-Sneak