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Old 10-19-2015, 05:44 PM
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Old 10-19-2015, 05:47 PM
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Old 10-19-2015, 06:12 PM
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Good thing I'm not a republican. I'm a Libertarian Secessionist.
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Old 10-19-2015, 06:26 PM
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Good thing I'm not a republican. I'm a Libertarian Secessionist.
please secede from the forums you loon
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Old 10-19-2015, 07:15 PM
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Good thing I'm not a republican. I'm a Libertarian Secessionist.
Ah yes, soon you will be able to break the tyrannical yoke of big gubments oppression and create a true promised land without the evil Fed getting its greedy paws between you and your neighbor

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Old 10-19-2015, 09:06 PM
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Ah yes, soon you will be able to break the tyrannical yoke of big gubments oppression and create a true promised land without the evil Fed getting its greedy paws between you and your neighbor

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You establish the importance of culture in other posts, and in this one completely dismiss the cultural difference between north European Protestant America and African Muslim Somalia.

No, in the absence of the federal government, we do not become Somalia. We'd quicklj form smaller, more accountable nation states that would probably all be parliamentary democracies like Canada, Ireland, Denmark, etc...

Libertarians aren't all anarchists. We're just skeptics who don't think our government has very much chance of being fixed without something transformative.
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Old 10-19-2015, 09:36 PM
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You establish the importance of culture in other posts, and in this one completely dismiss the cultural difference between north European Protestant America and African Muslim Somalia.

No, in the absence of the federal government, we do not become Somalia. We'd quicklj form smaller, more accountable nation states that would probably all be parliamentary democracies like Canada, Ireland, Denmark, etc...

Libertarians aren't all anarchists. We're just skeptics who don't think our government has very much chance of being fixed without something transformative.
How does bernie stand with you as a libertarian voter I'm curious, Patrim?
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Old 10-19-2015, 09:58 PM
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You establish the importance of culture in other posts, and in this one completely dismiss the cultural difference between north European Protestant America and African Muslim Somalia.

No, in the absence of the federal government, we do not become Somalia. We'd quicklj form smaller, more accountable nation states that would probably all be parliamentary democracies like Canada, Ireland, Denmark, etc...

Libertarians aren't all anarchists. We're just skeptics who don't think our government has very much chance of being fixed without something transformative.
Quit calling me on my doublethink. I'm not going to let the analogy being dogshit deprive me of the pleasure of calling libertarians Somalians.

As much as I think Americans are theoretically capable of building a decent libertarian society, and it would probably maybe work just fine, I just see it as a step backward. I believe we need a strong, authoritative government to counter the destructive, bacterial impulses of humanity and nature.

The crux of the issue for me is the following thought experiment:

Maintaining the population of humanity at around 100 million would solve nearly every major global problem and enrich the lives of everyone.

This would be completely impossible under a libertarian system. In spite of the benefits to efficiency, libertarianism provides no capacity to exercise collective long-term planning for the benefit of the group. Statist systems do allow this, therefore I view libertarianism unfavorably. However, I believe libertarianism/free market economics was the superior system at guiding humanity through industrialization and basic development.

There's also the fact that American libertarianism tends to get wrapped up with Ayn Rand and she is basically the devil.
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Old 10-19-2015, 06:23 PM
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That's like saying I'm not a democrat, I'm registered in the green party. :P

or how about that im a democratic socialist, not a democrat.

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Old 10-19-2015, 06:36 PM
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That's like saying I'm not a democrat, I'm registered in the green party. :P

or how about that im a democratic socialist, not a democrat.

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Obviously you have no idea what libertarian means then.
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