"Not Classic" only applies to SOE content after Velious?

[Erica]

In the stream, they stated that it is basically 100% there will be non-classic content added after Velious. Why is the only reason for a lot of things they say no to, being "Not classic, won't be added!" but at the same time say they will add non-classic zones and quests?

That makes the whole "Not classic, won't be added!" thing invalid... It was also stated that Nilbog created a casino NPC which works like all the cash casino games but won't scam people... he just has not put it in yet but said he is not against it if people want it. So obviously they are ok with non-classic things, just not stuff SOE made? Doesn't make sense to me.

[maskedmelon]

"Classic" is the design philosophy and set of corresponding ideals embodied by the original Everquest trilogy.

[Thana8088]

Yeah, think "classic" in the philosophical sense. Sorta like Classic+

[Erica]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Classic" is the design philosophy and set of corresponding ideals embodied by the original Everquest trilogy.

Then expansions after Velious would be "Classic" with some tweaking?

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Erica [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then expansions after Velious would be "Classic" with some tweaking?

Yes, for sure, but the developers have indicated they would create all new content before revamping other content. The reason for this I think is twofold.

First, from a technical standpoint it is much less of a headache and actually fun to create (assuming you are gifted with creativity) than to research and try to rebuild something (which you will then have to modify) based on scant evidence. This is the reason we have had Kunark so long.

Second, tweaking existing content will inherently ruffle many feathers launching Dramaquest as features are selectively removed. It is infinitely simpler to just not add them in the first place.

[Erica]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, for sure, but the developers have indicated they would create all new content before revamping other content. The reason for this I think is twofold.

First, from a technical standpoint it is much less of a headache and actually fun to create (assuming you are gifted with creativity) than to research and try to rebuild something (which you will then have to modify) based on scant evidence. This is the reason we have had Kunark so long.

Second, tweaking existing content will inherently ruffle many feathers launching Dramaquest as features are selectively removed. It is infinitely simpler to just not add them in the first place.

The way they spoke "Classic", to me at least it made it sound like every single thing that was in the game, as close to the timeline as possible, up until timeline ending right at the Luclin launch then nothing new will be added, ever. Just the possibility of a new server to start over.

It is good to know that what I thought classic meant is wrong though.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Erica [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way they spoke "Classic", to me at least it made it sound like every single thing that was in the game, as close to the timeline as possible, up until timeline ending right at the Luclin launch then nothing new will be added, ever. Just the possibility of a new server to start over.

It is good to know that what I thought classic meant is wrong though.

No, you understood it perfectly. Every server that exists currently in project 1999 AND the recycle server that won't even exist for years are all "as classic as possible." That means just content from the original trilogy, and a UI that resembles the original UI as much as possible (ie. modulo stuff like buff timers and lighting which can't be fixed for technical reasons).

As others have said someday, many years from now, the devs have expressed in interest in creating their own content. This content may get added to a new server, or it might get added to the blue/red of 4+ years from now (I doubt recycle will get it as it will be the "true classic" server) ... but it's so far off it really isn't even worth speculating about. As far as the next few years of Project 1999 go, it's all classic, all the time.

[stormlord]

It seems to me some people want to use this argument:
Nobody agrees exactly what classic is, therefore, lets add XYZ to p1999, since it's all equally valid.

That's like saying since nobody agrees exactly what liberal is, therefore, lets add conservative and libertarian to it, since it's all equally valid. Add some Ralph Nader too - is he still around?

Just because players don't agree EXACTLY, doesn't mean you can just throw in anything you want. Eventually a server has to narrow its sights on something and go with it. Some players won't like it, but that always happens. That's precisely why emulators exist: players want to get something they can't get from live. So really if players don't like what p1999 has they should try to make their own server. Or they should try to convince the creators of p1999 to change the ruleset based on a voting system.

I want to confess I LOVED playing p1999 while I was playing it, but I didn't love everyting about it. I played actively sometime around early 2010 and off/on until 2012. I never leveled past ~24 because I like(d) the lower levels. Altaholic. My point? I didn't like everyting about p1999, but I still had a lot of fun.

[Ele]

Goal of the box = remake EQ from Original -> Kunark -> Velious. Not Luclin, not Planes of Power.

The custom content suggested by the devs wouldn't be added until Velious was stagnant for 2-4 years. We're talking 2018-2020 here. By that time, with the dynamic patching system in place, they can roll out new classic boxes every few years and eventually merge it into the ever stagnant blue server to start again.

Building a casino NPC as a proof of concept isn't breaking classic. It could be possible that the devs/CSR would prefer a casino NPC over having to devote time to dealing with scammers. Much like the implementation of FTE messages versus having to answer a petition every single time a boss spawned to figure out who was the rightful killer.

[drktmplr12]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Building a casino NPC as a proof of concept isn't breaking classic. It could be possible that the devs/CSR would prefer a casino NPC over having to devote time to dealing with scammers. Much like the implementation of FTE messages versus having to answer a petition every single time a boss spawned to figure out who was the rightful killer.

Also, this server needs a plat sink because the plat in =/= plat out which causes the mudflation.