Spells: Dispelling

[Jygia]

On live dispelling was based strictly on the levels difference between the dispeller and the level of the caster of the spells on the target. The magic resistance of the target wouldn't affect the dispelling, you could easily dispel the golems in plane of hate for example.

Cancel Magic Detail | History | Raw Data
Slot Description
1: Cancel Magic (1)

Nullify Magic Detail | History | Raw Data

Slot Description
1: Cancel Magic (4)
2: Cancel Magic (4)

Recant Magic Detail | History | Raw Data

Slot Description
1: Cancel Magic (9)
2: Cancel Magic (9)
3: Cancel Magic (9)
4: Cancel Magic (9)

The numbers in parentheses refer to an added bonus to the caster of the dispelling: a lvl 12 enchanter casting cancel magic would be considered as lvl 13 and a lvl 55 enchanter casting recant magic would be considered as lvl 64.


http://xornn.tripod.com/Spells/spell.htm
Dispel
Taper Enchantment (1), Cancel Magic (8), Strip Enchantment (24), Nullify Magic (29), Pillage Enchantment (44)
As you can see, enchanters are the undisputed masters of dispelling; while most casters can the ability to dispel magical effects, the enchanter gains the ability to not only strip up to 4 and a time, but to cancel effects as though they were up to nine levels higher! The 1st and 8th level versions cancel one effect, the 29th cancels two effects at 4 levels higher than your level, the 29th cancels up to 4 effects, and the 44th Pillage Enchantment cancels up to 4 effects at 4 levels higher than normal. (At 53rd enchanters gain the ability to dispel as a 62nd level enchanter.)

http://www.everquest.3x.ro/view_spell.php?id=25
Pillage Enchantment
Cancel Magic + 4 levels
Cancel Magic + 4 levels
Cancel Magic + 4 levels
Cancel Magic + 4 levels

[Haynar]

Good theory. Similar to one of the theories I tried. But it did not work out.

Dispelling spells, working as intended.

Thanks,

H

[Daldaen]

Level theory is interesting. But it still had to come down to either counters or a dice roll.

I definitely remember getting dispelled and not losing any buffs.

I also recall certain things like Dragon AEs would remove stuff every time.

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also recall certain things like Dragon AEs would remove stuff every time.

Talendor AE currently "skipping" clicky buffs such as Grim Aura and Journeymanboots to overwrite a buff further down. This is not how I remember it - Dragon AE should nullify the topmost "magic based" effect and occupy the top empty slot immediately after (even if not the same slot).

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Talendor AE currently "skipping" clicky buffs such as Grim Aura and Journeymanboots to overwrite a buff further down. This is not how I remember it - Dragon AE should nullify the topmost "magic based" effect and occupy the top empty slot immediately after (even if not the same slot).

Talendor's AE isn't a Dispell. Just a DoT...

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Talendor's AE isn't a Dispell. Just a DoT...

I guess you're right - but beneath my top 2 clickies I had long-duration junks (AC and CHA) that should have still been up when we engaged.

Talendor died ~40 minutes after I arrived at the camp (checked logs). Even if I got those buffs immediately, they are 90 and 81 minutes duration, respectively and WOULD have been up when I engaged.

The facts:
- Prior to engage, I had these 4 buffs at the top: 1) grim aura; 2)jboots; 3&4) shadow and overwhelming splendor (not sure which order).
- Just after the dragon died, I had 1) grim aura; 2)jboots; 3)immolating breath; 4) empty; 5-?)the rest of my raid buffs
- I was not "bufflocked" ... I had 10-12 buffs and no bard in my group.

Can anyone explain that?

edit: OK, come to think of it - we did have a couple adds with the dragon. I am PRETTY sure none of them were chromodracs - but even if I got hit with that AE as well, stuff's not adding up.

[Frieza_Prexus]

I know later expansions (Luclin, IIRC) had items with the Brilliance of Ro effect that raised your caster level by 20. This would also factor into making your spells harder to dispel, right?

Perhaps there's more commentary about dispel mechanics hidden in the discussions on Brilliance of Ro. I'll add any that I personally find.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess you're right - but beneath my top 2 clickies I had long-duration junks (AC and CHA) that should have still been up when we engaged.

Talendor died ~40 minutes after I arrived at the camp (checked logs). Even if I got those buffs immediately, they are 90 and 81 minutes duration, respectively and WOULD have been up when I engaged.

The facts:
- Prior to engage, I had these 4 buffs at the top: 1) grim aura; 2)jboots; 3&4) shadow and overwhelming splendor (not sure which order).
- Just after the dragon died, I had 1) grim aura; 2)jboots; 3)immolating breath; 4) empty; 5-?)the rest of my raid buffs
- I was not "bufflocked" ... I had 10-12 buffs and no bard in my group.

Can anyone explain that?

edit: OK, come to think of it - we did have a couple adds with the dragon. I am PRETTY sure none of them were chromodracs - but even if I got hit with that AE as well, stuff's not adding up.

its not that hard to fathom. Your top two junk buffs had higher buff counter rolls than the buffs at #3 and 4.

If you are MAX buffed (ie 15 buffs no room for more ), the dot will overwrite a buff and I guess the manner in which it overwrites is affected by the number of buff counters and goes from top to bottom line dispell ( speculating)

thats why Immo breath jumped to #3, and when you tried to dispell it, the dispell got rid of buff #4 because of the aforementioned high buff counter rolls for your first 2 junk slots

just speculating

[Jygia]

It was a dice roll, either the spells would resist the dispelling or it wouldn't, once after being chased off on a pvp server from the raptors early in Kunark when they were indiferrent and wouldn't assist, i brought a lvl 1 character with bags full of pumices to harass the players who chased me off by dispelling the raptors they were killing and the dispels would never land.

[Nirgon]

Skipping grim aura on top might be happening because of a bug with buff slots.

I've zoned and my buffs all shuffled before.

I've also tried to dispel a top slot malosini with Annul Magic (always takes 2 from the top) and couldn't get it until I dispelled 8 other things lower in my list. Other times I've dispelled it as one of my top 2 with no issues.

Somethin fishy with buffs/debuffs shown in slots versus what slot they are actually in is what I think is going on.