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[indiscriminate_hater]

Put down your crack pipes and your beer bongs and listen up

http://www.voicesofliberty.com/audio...ission-report/

OK now u can blz it

[paulgiamatti]

Human beings are pattern-seeking mammals, which is a very good thing about us. However, this can lead oftentimes lead to people preferring a conspiracy theory over no theory at all; a very bad thing about us.

This is why the conspiracies surrounding 9/11 continually baffle me. There was never a question as to what happened - every reasonable person knew right away what we were dealing with here. Everyone knew immediately that this was the result of Islamic fundamentalists backed by theocratic Saddamist fascism. There wasn't even a whiff of a thought leading to anything else, save by a few stoners like Michael Moore and his legion of brain-dead followers.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Human beings are pattern-seeking mammals, which is a very good thing about us. However, this can lead oftentimes lead to people preferring a conspiracy theory over no theory at all; a very bad thing about us.

This is why the conspiracies surrounding 9/11 continually baffle me. There was never a question as to what happened - every reasonable person knew right away what we were dealing with here. Everyone knew immediately that this was the result of Islamic fundamentalists backed by theocratic Saddamist fascism. There wasn't even a whiff of a thought leading to anything else, save by a few stoners like Michael Moore and his legion of brain-dead followers.

So you have the answers to...

At what temperature does jet fuel burn? What temperature is the melting point in the steel used to construct the towers.

Explain tower 7?

[valarmorghulis]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you have the answers to...

At what temperature does jet fuel burn? What temperature is the melting point in the steel used to construct the towers.

Explain tower 7?

LOL so you believe 9/11 was an inside job but don't believe the government and pharmaceutical companies are poisoning us via vaccines/drugs etc. I just don't get people man.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you have the answers to...

At what temperature does jet fuel burn? What temperature is the melting point in the steel used to construct the towers.

Explain tower 7?

You realize that before steel actually becomes molten, it loses strength right? You realize that when you get steel to 700 degrees, it's not going to hold up a tower any longer? Go hang onto a street sign, and then raise the middle of the pole to 1500 degrees and see if it continues to hold you up. As for Tower 7, who the fuck knows. The planes registered a seismic impact, maybe they went down from that?

Main problem with 9/11 conspiracies:

You're telling me that EVERYONE in the NYPD and NYFD is a big piece of shit and was involved in some elaborate cover up. I get it, you think our incompetent dip shit government is capable of something nefarious and evil. You're probably thinking CIA. But fire departments, especially large ones, have investigators who aren't fucking idiots. They know arson. They know explosives. You're telling me that HUNDREDS of police officers and firefighters died and their brothers covered up a massive conspiracy that got them killed. Sorry, but fire departments wouldn't protect the CIA at the expense of their own. You've clearly never known any firemen.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons

I guess all of those guys who took back the plane that went down in Pennsylvania were in on it too. They didn't love their families, they wanted to serve their country by being complicit to the murder of 3000 of their fellow citizens. So devoted to this cause were they, that they volunteered for a certain death.

9/11 wasn't an inside job. You know this too. You've implicitly denied the US' guilt by continuing to live here. If you truly believed this, you'd be moving to Canada, just like thousands did during Vietnam. Not to mention the numerous other countries you'd go to.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize that before steel actually becomes molten, it loses strength right? You realize that when you get steel to 700 degrees, it's not going to hold up a tower any longer? Go hang onto a street sign, and then raise the middle of the pole to 1500 degrees and see if it continues to hold you up. As for Tower 7, who the fuck knows. The planes registered a seismic impact, maybe they went down from that?

Main problem with 9/11 conspiracies:

You're telling me that EVERYONE in the NYPD and NYFD is a big piece of shit and was involved in some elaborate cover up. I get it, you think our incompetent dip shit government is capable of something nefarious and evil. You're probably thinking CIA. But fire departments, especially large ones, have investigators who aren't fucking idiots. They know arson. They know explosives. You're telling me that HUNDREDS of police officers and firefighters died and their brothers covered up a massive conspiracy that got them killed. Sorry, but fire departments wouldn't protect the CIA at the expense of their own. You've clearly never known any firemen.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons

I guess all of those guys who took back the plane that went down in Pennsylvania were in on it too. They didn't love their families, they wanted to serve their country by being complicit to the murder of 3000 of their fellow citizens. So devoted to this cause were they, that they volunteered for a certain death.

9/11 wasn't an inside job. You know this too. You've implicitly denied the US' guilt by continuing to live here. If you truly believed this, you'd be moving to Canada, just like thousands did during Vietnam. Not to mention the numerous other countries you'd go to.

Someone didn't read my later post clarifying the context. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a skeptical individual who is interested in learning. When I ask why/how, I'm not asking because I dont believe you, I'm asking because I like to expand my knowlege.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize that before steel actually becomes molten, it loses strength right? You realize that when you get steel to 700 degrees, it's not going to hold up a tower any longer? Go hang onto a street sign, and then raise the middle of the pole to 1500 degrees and see if it continues to hold you up. As for Tower 7, who the fuck knows. The planes registered a seismic impact, maybe they went down from that?

Main problem with 9/11 conspiracies:

You're telling me that EVERYONE in the NYPD and NYFD is a big piece of shit and was involved in some elaborate cover up. I get it, you think our incompetent dip shit government is capable of something nefarious and evil. You're probably thinking CIA. But fire departments, especially large ones, have investigators who aren't fucking idiots. They know arson. They know explosives. You're telling me that HUNDREDS of police officers and firefighters died and their brothers covered up a massive conspiracy that got them killed. Sorry, but fire departments wouldn't protect the CIA at the expense of their own. You've clearly never known any firemen.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons

I guess all of those guys who took back the plane that went down in Pennsylvania were in on it too. They didn't love their families, they wanted to serve their country by being complicit to the murder of 3000 of their fellow citizens. So devoted to this cause were they, that they volunteered for a certain death.

9/11 wasn't an inside job. You know this too. You've implicitly denied the US' guilt by continuing to live here. If you truly believed this, you'd be moving to Canada, just like thousands did during Vietnam. Not to mention the numerous other countries you'd go to.

Except that steel and concrete also disperse heat. There were steel sheers also put in place to meld the steel beams and concrete floors together.

You're claims were already addressed and debunked in a previous post

[Polyphemous]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you have the answers to...

At what temperature does jet fuel burn? What temperature is the melting point in the steel used to construct the towers.

Explain tower 7?

Steel doesn't have to melt to lose strength. It can lose its temper far below its melting point, which is what happened to the structural steel in the towers.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Polyphemous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Steel doesn't have to melt to lose strength. It can lose its temper far below its melting point, which is what happened to the structural steel in the towers.

Again, these bogus NIST report contentions have already been debunked in this thread

1) NIST only allowed 3 weeks for a public peer review of their bogus report. This was a report that consisted of 10K pages. It took years and over 200K man hours to produce this report. Yet they gave only 3 weeks to peer review it before proclaiming it was "case closed science"

2) The assumptions NIST used for when the fires started and how hot they were burning completely contradicted eyewitness reports

3) The NIST report also contradicts itself on when fires started on specific floors and what temperatures they were

4) NIST made wildly unsupported assumptions on how much flammable and combustable material actually occupied certain floors and relied upon eyewitness information to make these assumptions of people that didn't even work in these areas on those floors

5) NIST only assumed RDX was used an explosive. This is in violation of NFPA protocol. That's case closed right there that NIST is nothing more than a Government smoke screen

6) NIST wrote a legal disclaimer in their report which states engineers cannot be held responsible for falsifying evidence

7) NIST states in their report that no tall building had ever collapsed due to fire (which is true). Amazing that we had 3 major engineering structural firsts in the history of building making on 9/11) yet the media was reporting foreknowledge of these impending collapses before these building actually fell.

BBC even reported that building 7 collapsed when it was still standing. The reporter is reporting that it collapsed while you can still see building 7 standing in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

8) NIST acknowledges that the first 100 ft of the building 7 collapse happened at free fall speed. Fire cannot do this.

9) No engineer that worked on the report was ever given access to all of the information and all of the evidence. They were grouped in bubbles.

10) The NIST computer models of the collapse did not match the actual collapse

11) NIST has never published their modeling data. It has never been peer reviewed

12) NIST assumed no thermal conductivity of steel or concrete in their model. Steel doesn't conduct heat?

13) NIST doctored their model to get maximum thermal expansion. They never even calculated the concrete in their assumptions when concrete has the same thermal efficiency as steel. They expand at the same rate. Why do you think they reinforce steel with concrete in the first place? The concrete adds lateral support to resist thermal expansion

14) NIST completely the sheer studs that were used to reinforce the concrete and steel. Why would they do that?

15) NIST completely ignored eyewitness accounts of explosions

And to try to claim that all the 9/11 Predictive Programming (with very specific references to demolition and terrorism leading up to the false flag attack that are littered throughout all music/movies for literally decades) is just "coincidence theory" and laughably naive. 9/11 has to be the most popular date in movie history. What amazing accuracy. All random chance or something.

If you're a betting man you should ask The Beastie Boys who they like in the 5th

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[Barnes]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you have the answers to...

At what temperature does jet fuel burn? What temperature is the melting point in the steel used to construct the towers.

Explain tower 7?

Thanks for that =)