130 Specialize Evocation No Mana Reduction?

[Baler]

I have 130+ Specialize Evocation and when I cast an Evocation spell that cost 105 mana the spell always takes 105 mana.

On the wiki it says:
"The formula for mana preservation is 1% mana preservation per 20 skill points"
http://wiki.project1999.com/Skill_Specialization

So why am I not seeing a mana reduction on my evocation spells?

[norova]

When a spell is cast a roll is thrown to see if it receives the Specialization bonus. The higher your Specialization skill the more likely it is the roll will succeed, and the greater the benefit of the roll.

It doesn't effect every spell you cast in that school. It is simply a chance to have an effect. That said, I'm not sure what the actual chance is.

[Hogfather]

On the wiki page you linked it says:

When a spell is cast a roll is thrown to see if it receives the Specialization bonus. The higher your Specialization skill the more likely it is the roll will succeed, and the greater the benefit of the roll. A successful roll will do two things:
* It will reduce the mana used on the spell.
* It will reduce the chance of fizzling.

Hmmm though this old post on Graffe's is contradictory:

The "chance" wording in the description has been around for a long time, but it was shown early in EQ's history that this is not true. Specialization is a fixed mana reduction for that class of spell. It was one of the first things that people discovered when they started using ShowEQ.

I am not sure of the exact amount. If I recall, the basic 50 specialization was 2.5%. So that makes 200 spec worth 10% mana savings.

http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthr...lize-Evocation

[Daywolf]

Yes, it's only a chance to reduce mana. I've never done a spec in evo, but same formula that works for conj and alter which I have, and I certainly see mana reduction, if at least sporadic. It's still low, but as you raise it you should see better results.

[applesauce25r624]

just figure it to be a 10% mana savings over an infinitely long fight

[Daldaen]

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a guaranteed chance to save that 10% mana every cast of that specialization. It's that way on Live currently. Cast any spell and you'll see with specialization it will reduce the mana cost a fixed amount every single cast. Even at 50 or 200 skill.

It is basically impossible to prove that it functioned like this in classic, since mana value wasn't shown in the UI until LoY/GoD. So exact mana cost wasn't easy to decipher based off of looking at your mana bar (again they didn't have % values displayable til PoP). But I have a tough time believing they changed it from a chance to a guaranteed savings at some point during EQ without any mention.

I'd be curious to see the equation we have on this server.

I definitely think it should be guaranteed. Melee on this server are quite powerful relative to casters especially concerning sustained DPS/Utility. Casters are much more limited by their mana bar. Allowing them to sustain their mana when casting primary spells sounds more in line with classic. I definitely remember specialization being a big deal.

[applesauce25r624]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I definitely think it should be guaranteed

me, too, but only for the underpowered casters

shit. give it to rangers, paladins and SK's as well. fuckin hybrid haters >_> !

[Cogwell]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a guaranteed chance

“They’ve done studies, you know. 60 percent of the time, it works every time.” — Brian Fantana

[lurk]

I'm 100% that specialization should go off every time. The reason I know this is because the AA SCM said it increased chance for spec to go off. In that era there was a ton of parses done to show that specialization works everytime and SCM simply increased the % mana saved. I don't have time to look this stuff up right now but there has to be Luclin/PoP era posts explaining what specialization does and what SCM does...not classic but then I seriously doubt anyone actually put in the effort to test this before SCM.
50 spec should be 2.5% mana off.
200 spec should be 10% mana off.
SCM3 should be 20% mana off.

[Baler]

Suppose I should carify that I know the wiki says there is a "chance". Yet it seems like the chance is insanely slim or I have the worst dice/rng results in eq.
Everytime I write down my before mana and my after mana, before and after casting an evocation spell it is the exact full cost. I even in practice after leveling cast an evocation spell on myself saw it cost full mana, meditated and repeated a series of 20 casts all full mana cost.