Stupid idea

cries4hardcore · #1 03-01-2014, 11:03 PM

Hello all,
This thought just crossed my mind. What would happen if the devs made mqing impossible. Would it piss off more people than it helped? Would it allow a lot of people to experience content that they otherwise never would have been able to? Maybe I'm wrong, but between raid targets and droppable loot, isn't that enough to keep perma campers happy? The point of having no drop quested items was so people could be rewarded for accomplishing something. It's not supposed to be monetized. It's just a thought, and I'm sure I'll get slammed for it. Additionally, I'm a hypocrite in that if I could afford it I would multi quest the shit out of some items. But is that because I/we Are lazy or is it because I/we could not have said items otherwise?
Only reason I'm thinking about this is because I read a velious forum and it dawned on me that with mqing a good deal of the community is just shit out of luck with faction armor and similar content.
Let the beating commence.

Spacebar · #2 03-01-2014, 11:14 PM

The issue of MQing for profit always seems to come up. Many people think that banning it would open up a lot of opportunities as many people are killing stuff just to MQ it. This might be true in some cases, but disabling MQing would have a lot of negative effects also.

First, people on this server would definitely end up just selling looting rights. This is even true for mobs that don't have a 100% chance to drop something. Look at how some guilds will sell looting rights to no-drop items from sky, demon fangs, etc.

Second, if MQing wasn't possible, a lot more times the items might just go to waste. Oh, you didn't have the right class who needed the right thing that dropped, well, I guess it rots. Now, guilds can loot it and MQ it to a guildy later.

I think that, in general, the benefits of MQ outweigh the drawbacks. However, it is certainly an important issue for the server that should be looked at when the impact of Velious on it becomes more apparent.

Hollywood · #3 03-02-2014, 09:21 AM

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The issue of MQing for profit always seems to come up. Many people think that banning it would open up a lot of opportunities as many people are killing stuff just to MQ it. This might be true in some cases, but disabling MQing would have a lot of negative effects also.

First, people on this server would definitely end up just selling looting rights. This is even true for mobs that don't have a 100% chance to drop something. Look at how some guilds will sell looting rights to no-drop items from sky, demon fangs, etc.

Second, if MQing wasn't possible, a lot more times the items might just go to waste. Oh, you didn't have the right class who needed the right thing that dropped, well, I guess it rots. Now, guilds can loot it and MQ it to a guildy later.

I think that, in general, the benefits of MQ outweigh the drawbacks. However, it is certainly an important issue for the server that should be looked at when the impact of Velious on it becomes more apparent.

We already had this discussion.

A) Loot rights selling is far more natural than MQng. MQng is a synthetic method used as a cheap band aid to reduce the amount of loot rights activity. However people forget that loot rights is a player driven action that supports a player driven economy - which is one of the big selling points of old RPG games - or so says Brad McQuaid and all the neck beards whom also support EVE!

B) Who cares if it goes to waste? It's virtual. I'd much rather it go to waste, than watch NBG rules get ignored because technically everyone can use. Or the entire server turn into one big farm zone.

The glaring issue is how Rogean and crew actually envisioned MQ would turn out on P99. They should have known that everything is easier and faster and more simple to get fifteen years later, and thus MQ as a bandaid would not work.
I appreciate it's classic, but, MQ could disappear tomorrow an the server would be better off.

BigHurb · #4 03-01-2014, 11:16 PM

ooooooooh yea brother the macho man approves

the game would be better, thats what would happen. people couldnt hoard shit.

Clark · #5 03-02-2014, 06:29 AM

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ooooooooh yea brother the macho man approves

the game would be better, thats what would happen. people couldnt hoard shit.

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Swish · #6 03-01-2014, 11:19 PM

Any change made always pisses someone off. Personally I hate the EC fat cats and the MQ profiteering, but people want to blow big money on having their epics early, for convenience etc.

Why play a classic EQ emulator and then shortcut the big things like epic quests? Each to their own I guess, some people like EconomyQuest more than leveling characters.

Daldaen · #7 03-01-2014, 11:25 PM

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Any change made always pisses someone off. Personally I hate the EC fat cats and the MQ profiteering, but people want to blow big money on having their epics early, for convenience etc.

Why play a classic EQ emulator and then shortcut the big things like epic quests? Each to their own I guess, some people like EconomyQuest more than leveling characters.

A little bit of it may be not wanting to compete with the MQ sellers for the bottleneck camps/mobs/groundspawns and just buying it is the only feasible means of attaining the epic since they can only sit at a camp for 3-4 hours at a time and its taken the 3-4 hours you're available every night.

I think it would be the best place if MQ Sales weren't allowed but not better than our current situation if you completely disabled MQs from functioning. Due to what was stated earlier. It sucks when some no-drop piece drops and you can't loot it and MQ for your guildmate who couldn't make it that night.

That being said... PoSky should be fully MQable!

Kekephee · #8 03-01-2014, 11:26 PM

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Any change made always pisses someone off. Personally I hate the EC fat cats and the MQ profiteering, but people want to blow big money on having their epics early, for convenience etc.

Why play a classic EQ emulator and then shortcut the big things like epic quests? Each to their own I guess, some people like EconomyQuest more than leveling characters.

I mostly agree. The deal is though, when you make your first character on P99 and bring him to level 5 and step into EC you realize this is a whole different game than what you had in your head when you made your character. No one but a handful of very slimy sickos were like "yeeheehee I can't wait to play a version of EQ where the ultimate goal isn't just to get more loot than the other guy, but to totally cockblock him from getting that loot after I've gotten it by continuing to get it and just selling it to someone else or giving it to alts I don't actually play or just straight up deleting it, yeeeheeeeheeee."

And epics? Come on. "Camp this mob for 12 hours. Great, you got that piece. Now you can save up 100k to get the next part MQd because the hell if you're ever going to see VS go down lol"

There's something entirely malicious- not just selfish, not just inconsiderate, straight-up malicious- about spending three weeks with my necro parked on the AC island in OOT waiting for whichever one of the fantastic MQ merchant squad had the camp at that point to finish their 12 hour shift of corpsing rings- spamming their jboot buff all the while.

Inb4 "that wouldn't happen on Red"
inb4 "you're just whiny, that's capitalism baby"
inb4 "well you just didn't wake up early enough/stay up late enough, whose fault is that"

Daldaen · #9 03-01-2014, 11:32 PM

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There's something entirely malicious- not just selfish, not just inconsiderate, straight-up malicious- about spending three weeks with my necro parked on the AC island in OOT waiting for whichever one of the fantastic MQ merchant squad had the camp at that point to finish their 12 hour shift of corpsing rings- spamming their jboot buff all the while.

This speaks to my main annoyance with the sale of MQs. Not so much the random druid who gets a Berguggle Crown while camping his Corrupted Aqua Shaman. Or the random mage who gets a glimpse of AC across the water from his Seafury camp and kills him.

Its more the guy who is camping Gimblox for the 25th time to sell the MQ. The guys who have turned the majority of their profits off farming the same quest over and over.

It is EverQuest after all. Not EverBuyYourQuestReward. No Drop items are No Drop for a reason.

Tecmos Deception · #10 03-01-2014, 11:36 PM

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This speaks to my main annoyance with the sale of MQs. Not so much the random druid who gets a Berguggle Crown while camping his Corrupted Aqua Shaman. Or the random mage who gets a glimpse of AC across the water from his Seafury camp and kills him.

Its more the guy who is camping Gimblox for the 25th time to sell the MQ. The guys who have turned the majority of their profits off farming the same quest over and over.

It is EverQuest after all. Not EverBuyYourQuestReward. No Drop items are No Drop for a reason.

EQ would have failed back in the day + none of us would be playing it now if all of the things the developers intended went live + none of the things they didn't intend went live.