Class C loses mobs on every repop?

Hitpoint · #1 01-13-2014, 10:16 PM

This plan was sold as being 33% Class R, 33% Class C and 33% FFA. Well with the bag limits for server repops, it isn't.

Lets say for this upcoming repop, we have 4 class C mobs and 4 FFA mobs. (which is true of this repop.) TMO and FE/IB are only allowed to kill 4 of them combined (bag limit of 2). So lets say we go after Trak (FFA) and VS (FFA), then we can choose between the 4 class C mobs. Lets say we choose Sev, and Inny. There are still two class C mobs left (gore and fay), ones that should be guaranteed to us because it's our turn on the rotation. But we now have a 12 hour lockout before we're allowed to try these, because of the repop bag limit. Class R has a 6 hour lockout before a target becomes FFA to them. So any class C mobs that we don't kill before our bag limits are reached, become defaulted to Class R. We also can't attempt the remaining FFA mobs. This means that we are guaranteed to lose mobs that are ours on the rotation. And it's going to happen on every single repop. Either we lose Class C mobs, or we lose the ability to contest FFA mobs. Either way this isn't an even 33% split, and it's undermining the rotation.

I basically like the new raid rules otherwise. Is this an oversight perhaps? Is it intended? I would love to hear from a GM about this. Thanks for your time.

Mezzmur · #2 01-13-2014, 10:20 PM

I have pointed this out multiple times today and would still like a response. It's a side-effect of having fewer guilds in Class C. It's also the reason that we asked for no bag limits in Class C or up it to 3.

You're also assuming that FE/IB raid together outside of VP. Will IB FE raid separately in VP and Outside to pick up the extra mobs?

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Additionally; If TMO/FE/IB want to go for Trak, he COULD spawn 24 hours after 12:01AM. However, Fay could spawn instantly and sit up for 6 hours making him FFA and a Class R guild could kill, meanwhile, because of Bag Limits, TMO/FE/IB are reluctant to kill because they want other mobs. Then the loser gets nothing because the other mobs are already dead. This is also why a full repop at 12:01am is superior.

Full Repop Rules with Variance Spawns is not cool.

Hitpoint · #3 01-13-2014, 10:23 PM

I mean, I saw the Class R guilds were asking for the bag limit to be removed, as it doesn't make sense in a rotation system. If they are okay with removing or raising the bag limit, then why is it still set at 2? I don't know the answer to your question.

Mezzmur · #4 01-13-2014, 10:24 PM

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I mean, I saw the Class R guilds were asking for the bag limit to be removed, as it doesn't make sense in a rotation system. If they are okay with removing or raising the bag limit, then why is it still set at 2? I don't know the answer to your question.

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justin2090 · #5 01-13-2014, 10:30 PM

Maybe it was left open like that intentionally to give Class R guilds incentive to move up? It would probably be best to let a week go by and then critique the raid agreement afterwards.

Mezzmur · #6 01-13-2014, 10:32 PM

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Maybe it was left open like that intentionally to give Class R guilds incentive to move up? It would probably be best to let a week go by and then critique the raid agreement afterwards.

There's no incentive to move up, just have to wait 6 hours to get the mob without having to do anything special.

justin2090 · #7 01-13-2014, 10:33 PM

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There's no incentive to move up, just have to wait 6 hours to get the mob without having to do anything special.

Being able to compete in VP and still get mobs outside guaranteed is incentive

Mezzmur · #8 01-13-2014, 10:48 PM

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Being able to compete in VP and still get mobs outside guaranteed is incentive

Fair enough, VP is definitely, I thought you were implying the "leftover" targets that we aren't allowed to kill was.

baalzy · #9 01-14-2014, 01:59 PM

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There's no incentive to move up, just have to wait 6 hours to get the mob without having to do anything special.

Class R guilds have a 2 spawn lockout for that mobs class after a kill of a Class R mob. This means if BDA kills CT during Class R during this repop BDA can only go after FFA CTs until 2 more Class R ones repop.

If the rotation is Class R > FFA > Class C and CT spawns every 7 days plus an additional repop every 10 days (2-4 repops a month should average to about 10 days).

Day 0 BDA kills CT (class R).
Day 7 FFA CT spawns and BDA can go after him (doesnt matter if they get him or not)
Day 10 server repop. CT is Class C. BDA can't touch him.
Day 14 CT pops as class R. 2 mob lockout still in effect. BDA can't touch.
Day 20 server repop. CT is FFA. BDA can go after him.
Day 21 CT pops as Class C. BDA can't go after him
Day 28 CT pops as Class R. BDA can't touch (still locked out).
Day 30 server repop. CT is FFA. BDA can go after
Day 35 CT pops as Class C. BDA can't go after.
Day 40 server repop. CT is Class R. BDA Can now go after

BDA gets 1 kill then 3 more chances at CT in a 40 day cycle.
The Class C guilds get 6 chances at CT in those 40 days, regardless of how many kills they get.

In this same time frame Class C guilds have had access to 10 full VP pops (60 dragons total, 30 if you only count the 3 that people say are really worthwhile).

I'd say thats pretty decent incentive to want to move up if you're capable.

With that said, I don't see how upping the bag limit to 3 would really make any kind of negative impact.

dustysr06 · #10 01-13-2014, 10:52 PM

Could be to allow some mobs to not be killed within 15 minutes of spawning on a server repop, so some other guilds have a crack at it that cant batphone a raidforce in on command. Also makes you pick your targets strategically rather than just running the table on whatever you can get your hands on, as fast as you possibly can.

I'm good with or without a bag limit, but i kind of like the idea behind it personally for the above reasons.