Bandwagon Proposal Thread.

[Alarti0001]

Simple Fair Solution

Tier A Guilds: FE/IB, TMO
Tier B Guilds: All the rest of youzes


1/2 of Inny/Fay/Sev/Gore/Tal/Naggy/Vox are open for Tier B guilds to kill as they see fit. Make a rotation, compete. Your choice!
1/2 of Draco's/Maestro's are open for Tier B guilds.

Tier B guilds may choose to compete on the other 1/2 of these mobs as they want without punishment.

Tier B guilds may compete in VP and at Trak/VS/CT as they want without punishment.

Tier B guilds will become Tier A guilds for a period of 30 days if they meet any of the following conditions. Kill a VP dragon, Kill 3 Trakanon's in a 30 day period, Kill 2 Venril Sathir's in a 30 day period, Kill 2 CT's in a 30 day period.

No Poopsocking(Logged in at or near a spawn) Tracking obviously permitted.
No DA engages(this can be a flat out policy or a time limit(36 seconds))


*** Changes/Clarifications. Tier B targets raid rules can be defined by Tier B guilds. If you want to allow pooping.. go for it.
Possible change allow semi-socks for Tier B raiders during Tier A Spawn windows.(Considering)



This gives out roughly 22 raid mobs to the server per month(not competed on by FE/IB or TMO)
The rest of the mobs are competitive.

This allows "casual scum" to have lots of raid encounters, but it also allows the best raids to be competitive. This is a happy balance between full competition and rotations.

Review, and when you do explain your position, what you would like to change, and the reasoning behind your dissent.

[Nirgon]

It does what I'd personally want it to. It keeps some competition at the high level while removing soul draining poop socking.

It guarantees mobs for the other guilds, a 100% improvement.

Unfortunately I think tier B is the problem. They are going to want an uncontested open shot at every mob. However, as they are yet to draft anything even as quick as this, who really knows?

We can only guess and wonder.

How long did it take you to write this up? How long has it been for them to consider and try to work things out amongst the 5 of them?

Divinity has always been an anti-toxic element for this server. I cannot speak more highly for their respect of other players. Taken has tons of great people in it. I've grouped with BDA guys who are in some cases as skilled at their roles as TMO players, with just less time investment. The A-Team is home of the some of most exceptional solo/duo artists who have an infinitely strong grasp of game mechanics when I've talked to them.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think they are scum or filth by any stretch. I'm just saying they need to get something going or they are going to sit with their basically 0 mobs they've always had. Right now, I see nothing other than saying "no" to everything without putting something forth.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, as they are yet to draft anything even as quick as this, who really knows?

This is incorrect, the "casual" proposal has been discussed between guild leaders and there was a 3+ hour discussion yesterday with another one planned on Wednesday.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It does what I'd personally want it to. It keeps some competition at the high level while removing soul draining poop socking.

It guarantees mobs for the other guilds, a 100% improvement.

Unfortunately I think tier B is the problem. They are going to want an uncontested open shot at every mob. However, as they are yet to draft anything even as quick as this, who really knows?

Raid guilds are going to want 100% contested content. This is the nature of compromise.

We can only guess and wonder.

How long did it take you to write this up? How long has it been for them to consider and try to work things out amongst the 5 of them?

5 mins.. maybe.

Divinity has always been an anti-toxic element for this server. I cannot speak more highly for their respect of other players. Taken has tons of great people in it. I've grouped with BDA guys who are in some cases as skilled at their roles as TMO players, with just less time investment. The A-Team is home of the some of most exceptional solo/duo artists who have an infinitely strong grasp of game mechanics when I've talked to them.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think they are scum or filth by any stretch. I'm just saying they need to get something going or they are going to sit with their basically 0 mobs they've always had. Right now, I see nothing other than saying "no" to everything without putting something forth.

They have put out quite of bit of ridiculous proposals regarding point systems, kill limits, and rotations.

[Hitpoint]

Alarti with probably the best proposal that I've seen yet. Don't really care about DA stalling, but whatever.

[nambar]

This does nothing but kick the ball down the road while allowing TMO / IB to return to raiding immediately.

Force these knuckleheads into an agreement while you have them by the throat and say no thanks. Thank you. God bless.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by nambar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This does nothing but kick the ball down the road while allowing TMO / IB to return to raiding immediately.

No it increased the mobs available to casuals guilds by 1000% actually.

[uygi]

Originally Posted by nambar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This does nothing but kick the ball down the road while allowing TMO / IB to return to raiding immediately.

Force these knuckleheads into an agreement while you have them by the throat and say no thanks. Thank you. God bless.

It doesn't kick anything down the road, it's the guilds that are willing to work harder offering to leave mobs for others to kill, counter to the entire structure and driving force behind those guilds. If you think Rogean's goal is to punish any guild here, you're crazy. TMO received punishment and is to be brought back into the fold and offered peace. I have no idea what Rogean's reaction would be to the casuals demanding more than the other guilds are willing to yield. My interpretation is there has to be an agreement that stops monopolization and asshatterypetitionquesting.

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Add in a solution to let guilds try vs/trak every now and then without tmo/fe/ib and this proposal is solid. How can people still complain when the guilds that held 97 percent of all raid content is now saying they not raid almost half of raid content at all.

I think every raid mob should at least sometimes be reserved for tier B guilds and sometimes be open to Tier A guilds.

Also I think the casual guilds need to engage in a timely manner. 4 hours is too much, how about 1 hour? There are enough guilds in Tier B that one of them ought to be able to muster a force in that time. If they can't, call up another guild and invite them to join you. Casual guilds need to learn to cooperate too, instead of just sitting there waiting for something free.

[Fuddwin]

Originally Posted by uygi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casual guilds need to learn to cooperate too, instead of just sitting there waiting for something free.

FTFY

[JayN]

rogean just shut p99 down, this is loler'caust happening to the server!

Somehow you expect hardcores to fall in line with casuals; it will never happen.

Just like casuals will never become hardcore.

You will need switch the the server to tokens or instances.

Its obvious you do not like competition, just get rid of it and be done with it.