When does Canni become more effcient then a Manastone (Hp/Mana ratio wise)

[VincentVolaju]

So Ive been messing around on a 33 Shaman with a Manastone, he only has Canni 1 right now. After watching hp/mana when using it, it looks like it takes 50hp and only gives 7mana, however on the wiki it says it is supposed to give 20mana. When using the Manastone it gives 20mana for 60hp.

Obviously at this point 60-20 is much more efficient then 50-7. Im assuming as you go up in level, your Canni starts to give more Mana, maybe? If thats the case, at what level / which canni spell, will become a more efficient hp/mana ratio, then the Manastone at 60/20?

[gotrocks]

Canni always more efficient. See my explanation in this thread for why canni looks so screwy:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...?t=7932&page=2

[Aaron]

Cannibalize I (LVL 24): consume 50 hp, gain 19-30 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.66 to 2.63 hp:mana)
Cannibalize II (LVL 38): consume 67 hp, gain 30-42 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.60 to 2.23 hp:mana)
Cannibalize III (LVL 54): consume 100 hp, gain 39-47 Mana (conversion ratio is 2.13 to 2.56 hp:mana)
Cannibalize IV (LVL 58): consume 148 hp, gain 81-82 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.80 to 1.83 hp:mana)

[newsmurf]

use manastone until u get canni2

[enr4ged]

Here you go this will help you visualize and compare the differences between the Canni spells.

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[Tasslehofp99]

So which canni spell is the most efficient? That graph is confusing me.

[Adolphus]

Canni 2

[phobus]

Originally Posted by Aaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cannibalize I (LVL 24): consume 50 hp, gain 19-30 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.66 to 2.63 hp:mana)
Cannibalize II (LVL 38): consume 67 hp, gain 30-42 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.60 to 2.23 hp:mana)
Cannibalize III (LVL 54): consume 100 hp, gain 39-47 Mana (conversion ratio is 2.13 to 2.56 hp:mana)
Cannibalize IV (LVL 58): consume 148 hp, gain 81-82 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.80 to 1.83 hp:mana)

FYI, this is way off for Cannibalize II, at least. At 59, it returns 32 mana while Cannibalize III returns 47.

[fastboy21]

Selling canni 2 currently...pm if interested

[Cid]

There is a second tick on p99 that really messes with canni of any kind. I was told it was done originally to stop people exploiting an aggro issue, but it is set slightly off of 6 seconds so it cycles its position throughout the original 6 second tick.

If you cast Canni thinking the fake tick is the real one, you wind up standing at the moment you would have gotten your normal sitting hp/mana amount. You basically have to open your inventory and watch your mana move up the proper amount. It really, really, really sucks, but once you get used to it, it becomes more managable.
Later on you can just watch your hp and know when to cast, you'll see it jump up 2-4% then down as the fake tick disperses.

I have a 54 shaman on Blue and a 60 shaman on Red, I've hated the problem but you just learn to live with it.