Is this faction goal possible?

[Castle2.0]

Background: I killed 2,000+ bards on on my mage on Blue, but am still KoS in Mistmoore. Never received the "cannot get any better" message.

There are 2 primary factions in MM: Agents of Mistmoore and Mayong Mistmoore. Agents faction cannot be raised by any means. MM faction can be raised.

According to the faction page (see: http://wiki.project1999.com/Faction), max-KoS is -2000. max-dubious is -699. It's accurate -- tested it on other factions. Should only be ~1300 kills (assuming only 1 faction point per kill) to go from max-KoS to dubious.

Goal: Become non-KoS in MM with a toon on Green.

Question: Does anyone have any info on how multiple factions interact? Averaged?

Irony: Bards get the best faction-improving spell/song. Might take a bard to accomplish.

[Wallicker]

There might be another faction they are on that cannot be raised/lowered that just isn’t listed. Kinda like some of the Kael giants it’s impossible to become non kos to.

[Wallicker]

I can run over to Mistmoore later and faction song buff on green, I’ve slaughtered bards to the faction cannot get any worse point

[gnatch]

The base faction dump from live from https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...64&postcount=3 shows:

 285 - Mayong Mistmoore
	-2000	51	Human 
	-2000	52	Barbarian 
	-2000	53	Erudite 
	-2000	54	Wood Elf 
	-2000	55	High Elf 
	-2000	56	Dark Elf 
	-2000	57	Half Elf 
	-2000	58	Dwarf 
	-2000	59	Troll 
	-2000	60	Ogre 
	-2000	61	Halfling 
	-2000	62	Gnome 
	-1000	178	Iksar 
	-2000	180	Vah Shir 
	-2000	661	Guktan 
	-2000	1106	Drakkin

Not sure what the p99 values are but having a huge base faction adjustment might mean you're really starting out at -4000 if you're max kos (can't get any worse) faction.

[Wallicker]

Seems bard with iksar illusion mask + song would be an instant +1600 boost on top of grinding I’d figure that would get you there

[Videri]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems bard with iksar illusion mask + song would be an instant +1600 boost on top of grinding I’d figure that would get you there

If it can be done, this is how.

[Castle2.0]

I can run over to Mistmoore later and faction song buff on green, I’ve slaughtered bards to the faction cannot get any worse point

I think negative hits are -10 to -30 and positive +1, for the vast majority of faction hits.

It's pretty easy to get max KoS to bards. But getting Dubious or better in MM would take ~10-30x longer. Might give it a go at some point in Vanilla -- it's still many moons before we see Kunark.

[branamil]

an NPC can only be on one faction. But you can lose several by killing it. All the NPCs in mistmoore are on AgentsOfMistmoore which cannot be raised.

[Videri]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

an NPC can only be on one faction. But you can lose several by killing it. All the NPCs in mistmoore are on AgentsOfMistmoore which cannot be raised.

This is correct.

If it were possible to become non-KOS in Mistmoore, people on Red would have done it for easy kills. Being non-KOS in Mistmoore would be a huge advantage and quite unbalanced.

Every mob is on a single faction. How do we know? When we raise or lower Faction A, it doesn't give us a different standing with Faction B. Factions do not interact and are not averaged.

I'm not sure this can be proven except by talking to devs, but I'm not sure why anyone would think this is not the case. You have your answer: you can't become non-KOS in Mistmoore.

[Castle2.0]

an NPC can only be on one faction. But you can lose several by killing it. All the NPCs in mistmoore are on AgentsOfMistmoore which cannot be raised.

(1) how do you know? and
(2) how do you know?