Classic server rules incorrect

[Vanlor]

Remember nostalgia is a bit different for each of us depending on what you remembered enjoying


🪦 Fear Was Classic PvP – Stop Pretending It Wasn’t

Alright, I’m throwin’ this down because it’s been gnawin’ at me for years. Project 1999 is supposed to be about reproducing the classic EverQuest experience, but one of the most iconic mechanics of PvP — Necros (and others) using Fear on players — has been scrubbed out like it never existed. That ain’t classic, and it sure as hell ain’t nostalgia for those of us who lived it.

Proof From the Patch Notes

If you don’t believe me, here’s the hard evidence straight from the official EverQuest patch history:

Fear and Charm worked on players all the way through Classic, Kunark, Velious, and Luclin.

They were NOT removed “pre-Kunark” like people around here love to repeat. That’s flat-out wrong.

On July 24, 2002, Sony finally patched it out:


> “Players are no longer susceptible to other players' fears and charms.”



Patch log reference:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?p=988974

That’s mid-2002, right before Planes of Power. Meaning: for nearly three full expansions, Fear worked in PvP.

Why This Matters

If P99 is really about “classic accuracy,” then leaving out Fear/Charm on players is rewriting history. Nostalgia for many of us includes the days of fearing players in duels, on red servers, or in PvP skirmishes. That’s what happened on live. That’s what we remember.

Right now, P99 is effectively emulating post-July 2002 rules, not the classic through Luclin era. If you want to be honest, call it “curated classic” or “sanitized classic,” because it sure as hell isn’t the ruleset we played under back in the day.

Closing

I’m not even arguing Fear PvP was “good” or “healthy” — hell, maybe it was broken. But it was there, and pretending it wasn’t is disingenuous. If you want to sell “classic,” you need to give us the actual mechanics that were in the game, not a cherry-picked version that erases half the story.


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Sources:

EQ Patch Notes, July 24, 2002: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?p=988974

Old P99 forum discussion on Fear/Charm PvP: https://www.project1999.com/forums/a...p/t-85240.html

[zelld52]

Aaryonar, Koi and Dagarn also weren't rooted. Minor Illusion also changed your racial faction modifier to 0.

"Curated Classic" is a good name for it.

[vales]

was this ever contested? I remember using fear in pvp and I started playing in kunark

but also who is this change really for? because red is dead

[Ekco]

pretty sure they have stated numerous times now it's more about the "spirit" of classic than a prefect recreation and that means its always going to be subjective and upsetting to people

fear mechanics doesn't even make top 100 list of things i give a shit about, for example.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pretty sure they have stated numerous times now it's more about the "spirit" of classic than a prefect recreation and that means its always going to be subjective and upsetting to people

fear mechanics doesn't even make top 100 list of things i give a shit about, for example.

Ok, I'm curious. What are your top 100 things you give a shit about on p99, please? Make the list in bullet point format. Look forward to the list

[shovelquest]

you know he uses ai, that would be very easy for him.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you know he uses ai, that would be very easy for him.

I asked AI to create one in Ekco's voice. It was... troubling. Some highlights:

Killer robot police replacements programmed by Black coders.
Unban fringe racist normies—make it happen, staff.
“Machete time” for pro‑abortion nuts—dark, dark humor.
Meme wars: Paste-eating retards vs. libs.
Waffle House as final stand world capitol.
Calls for cop militias. (No but maybe).
Watching Home Depots for tiki torch trends.
“Cut your dick off and praise Satan or Republicans win.”

I was then banned by ChatGPT by prompting it

"I Think ChatGPT is legitimately bad for human society" it removed the prompt and disallowed me from prompting it further.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeesh we're cooked.

[Ekco]

holy shit, lol.

idk #1 with a bullet that bothers me is only people left who care about EQ are mainly min/maxer gotta have BiS type people, what made EQ so fucking amazing was the amount of people just playing it to play it just running around immersed in the world, all those types have fucked off to games that actually respect their time so that's something we're never getting back

[Ekco]

i literally went, "there's no way i posted some of that stuff ChatGPT is quoting"

anyway... EVERY POST I HAVE EVER MADE ON THIS ACCOUNT IS SATIRE. I DO NOT CONDONE NOR SUPPORT ANY OF THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED BY...ME

thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Jimjam]

Minor illusion is the biggest issue atm.