Bard Page

ezri · #1 07-26-2015, 02:48 PM

Dear all,

In the light that Velious is hitting the servers next weekend - I've updated the Bard page to use a Nav Box rather than the "everything on one page" method that's been used until now.

The reason for this was the page was so big it couldn't be edited because the save wasn't working. And without any wiki admins maintaining the site any more (that we can determine) we can't find out why it's crashing.

I'm sorry to the people this change might upset.
It is my belief that we should have an editable bard page - I've exhausted all the other options; but I think it's for the best.

Thanks.

fiveeauxfour · #2 07-26-2015, 04:16 PM

change?!?!?

hold me..

im scared....

zanderklocke · #3 07-26-2015, 06:00 PM

It's all good except the anime photo with the dog. Bards don't need to feel more wussy than they are.

ezri · #4 07-26-2015, 06:45 PM

Fixed the image - did the same on ranger page.

Waiting for the outcry from Cecily... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ezri · #5 07-27-2015, 04:08 AM

No surprises there - page revert by Cecily (reverted)...

Cecily - earlier I tried to add one paragraph to the FAQ and it rejected the page save.
This "one page for everything" has worn itself out - we can't have a page that we can't add stuff to.

If you want to make changes, then add some "blurb" to make each page more reader friendly rather than just reverting 5 hours work.

Cecily · #6 07-27-2015, 10:18 AM

Keep my name out of your mouth. Thanks.

ezri · #7 07-27-2015, 10:27 AM

The problem with making a reputation for yourself is that your name ends up in everyone's mouth.

Cecily · #8 07-27-2015, 10:30 AM

If you wanna hold a grudge against my sole dissenting opinion of thinking your 5 hours of work looks like shit and is probably the reason the page can't be edited anymore, go ahead. I've tried to civil about it, but I can hold a grudge too. Or you can drop the issue and ruin the bard page however you like. Up to you.

webrunner5 · #9 07-27-2015, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you wanna hold a grudge against my sole dissenting opinion of thinking your 5 hours of work looks like shit and is probably the reason the page can't be edited anymore, go ahead. I've tried to civil about it, but I can hold a grudge too. Or you can drop the issue and ruin the bard page however you like. Up to you.

Well Cecily has a point. If no one can re change it, what the hell. It IS Wiki for a reason. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ezri · #10 07-27-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well Cecily has a point. If no one can re change it, what the hell. It IS Wiki for a reason. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've talked to other editors and this seems to be a problem across the site, not isolated to changes that I've made, there are numerous issues raised in the Technical discussion about the wiki.
Basically when you hit save, it takes you to the next page and gives you a blank screen rather than saving the content.

The class page issue seems to be an issue with the Gearing includes which were compounded with the new spell/song templates. I've had a lot of positive feedback about the new spell format; both on the forums and people messaging me in game so I'm assuming that a lot of people like it. I made them to make the tables look nicer, but also at the request of other editors to make editing spell data easier and the templates are documented so other authors can take over.

I've tried to streamline the way the gearing templates are picked up, but it didn't solve anything; and it's only half done because I didn't want to break the other class pages in the process.
So in the short term my conclusion was that the page was simply over loaded hence the navbox.

The server issues will have to be worked around because the sysadmins of the wiki box seem to be MIA.

I've only split the page up as a last resort because I've exhausted the alternative options - and if I get a lot of feedback from people saying that they really hate it then I'll eat humble pie and revert out the changes.
But it's not as simple as finding a previous version and hitting revert because of other things that people requested I change along the way like the song level cap reduction from lv65 to lv60, spell icon changes etc - things that many people put time into that need to be maintained.

But; safe to answer - the bard and ranger pages *can* be edited in their current format - prior to the navbox change as I stated earlier; I couldn't even add a paragraph into the FAQ section; which is why I added the nav box.