Game Mechanics: MOBs run speed

chrismed · #1 08-31-2010, 04:50 AM

Mobs in the game run as if they have SoW. This isn't right and causes little headaches considering it is extremely hard to out run regular mobs. No, I'm not over weight, no I'm not having the dual core bug. Many people agree with the same thing. The mobs are just to fast. Now if this was done to correct another problem. Then fix that problem instead of creating others.
Thanks

Honus · #2 08-31-2010, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chrismed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mobs in the game run as if they have SoW. This isn't right and causes little headaches considering it is extremely hard to out run regular mobs. No, I'm not over weight, no I'm not having the dual core bug. Many people agree with the same thing. The mobs are just to fast. Now if this was done to correct another problem. Then fix that problem instead of creating others.
Thanks

With all due respect, if they wanted to just pull the plug and say "fuck you, you whiney bastards," they could do that and fix ALL the problems. I don't think that a lot of people understand just how much work goes into this. These guys do this on their own time, they don't owe us anything. If anything, we owe them. Yeah, the mobs run a little fast - deal with it, I'm sure they will get around to it. Personally, I think they should run fast. I sure as shit wouldn't be able to out-run a wolf irl. Tip: as you are running away, jump as often as you can, I've found that this helps a little.

Nightblade · #3 08-31-2010, 06:26 AM

In response to this thread, I ask you search for the threads regarding bard solo-kiting the entire eastern plains of Karana, and runspeed issues.

It's not necessarily the runspeed that gets you, it's the fact that they have long arms. You'll be well out of range and they'll still melee you if you're running in a straight line.

Temporary solution to this? Strafe+run forward and a few jumps to get you away. As long as you're not dropping AGI due to low health, you'll outrun just about everything you come across.

Also, berating the coders for something that has been addressed MULTIPLE TIMES in far better ways is a good way to see your report ignored, deleted, or your account tempo-banned.

TL;DR

L2Search function.

Gorroth · #4 08-31-2010, 08:13 AM

Mobs do actually run too fast, several spells don't work as well as they should because of that. Known issue though, OP should have ran a search.

Lazortag · #5 08-31-2010, 02:01 PM

I don't get what the fuck people's problem is with the runspeed - in classic you always had to either (a) jump repeatedly or (b) strafe run or (c) have SoW/Selo's to outrun mobs. All three of these conditions are met on this server. The only time I was ever freaked out by runspeed was with the named centaur in SK (who for some reason has retardedly fast runspeed) and with some orcs in WC/EC who I didn't realize had SoW casted on them by another orc.

I'm curious about the hitboxes though - why do they have to be so large on this server?

edit: this post has a bit too much "raaaage" in it, sorry

chrismed · #6 08-31-2010, 06:24 PM

No I'm not getting on to anyone and I love the job the coders have done for the emulator.
No, as a guide for SEO for 2 years and playing EQ and EQ2 for 10yrs+ total (started playing in 4th stage BETA) I would never curse at anyone or drop the F*** bomb.
I have a little more respect then that for everyone including these people that do something that I could never do.
Yes, I know they could pull the plug and yes.. who knows maybe it's not a problem they can just fix.
I'm merely am pointing out one of the things I have noticed.
Is that not what we are suppose to do? Is to let them know, of possible problems so that they might be able to correct said problems to make it more enjoyable for everyone?..
Isn't that the very reason they are running the server in the first place instead of running their personal server just for themselves?
I would like to think I'm being helpful and not rude. *cough* like some. And if I have offended anyone.... I'm sorry
Now back to the issue, and maybe it can be discussed in a civil manner.

Old world things aren't suppose to run as fast as SoW. This includes the mobs I have noticed the most such as:
The beetles in the Karanas
Lions
Bears
Orcs
etc....
your everyday mobs.
Yes, IF snared AND if you have SoW you can out run them. I remember though out running them if the SoW was applied and not the snare.. no they were pretty close and if you wanted to, say kite them for example, you had to snare them.. but with SoW alone you could get away or make it to the zone line without having to run sideways. IF you didn't have sow.. you could out run a mob with just jumping ... that was until your vitality ran out.. if you didn't have Sow and your vitality was gone from jumping to try to get away then they would eventually catch up to you.
Now.. Just a question.. If it is due to a "range" hit problem so they have sped up the run speed of the mobs... why don't they fix that?
Now I'm only pointing this out because if it is suppose to be as close to the original as possible it would be nice if the mechanics of the run speed and stuff which plays a "so so" importance be correct. At least it would be nice.
Yes, because I do like what they have done.. I just canceled my subscription to EQ2. (They are making to many changes, making it feel like WoW or any of the run of the mill MMOs out there) I like the classic. I like the challenge it presented. And I think it is incredible what they have done.
BUT, I also think if I'm going to start donating ( hehe I was paying $80 mo. for all my accounts for me and my kids who play now) which my wife and I have been considering doing on a monthly sort of bases.. then yes I think I, in a small way, have the right to let them know of things that might need to be corrected.
And finally, yes I know when it all boils down to it..... they have the right to listen or not, which inevitably won't make a difference to me. I'm just curious, think I have a touch of O. C. D. and notice the little things (guess that is why I make such a good jailer).
So to who ever...
Great project so far.. love the classic server.. If I happen to notice anything else.. will let you know so you can look into it. I'll probably be here years to come helping and supporting.

And to those who know a little more then how to through out four letter words and might not have understood the bigger words I might have used above...
www.dictionary.com is a great place to find the definitions to even the most perplexing (oops used another one) words.....

Estu · #7 08-31-2010, 11:39 PM

I haven't met a single mob I haven't been able to outrun with just SoW, and low level SoW at that. Starting at level 9 my ogre shaman was using SoW to dot kite. He had to stop and get hit to reapply the dots, but while he was running around in wide circles he wasn't getting hit at all, and if he ran in a straight line for a while he got farther and farther away from the monster. Some mobs may well run faster, but your everyday mobs can totally be outrunned with SoW.

Taluvill · #8 08-31-2010, 11:53 PM

This thread has been posted a bunch of times before.

You can outrun any mob in game with Jboots or Sow.

Honus · #9 09-01-2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by chrismed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And to those who know a little more then how to through out four letter words and might not have understood the bigger words I might have used above...
www.dictionary.com is a great place to find the definitions to even the most perplexing (oops used another one) words.....

I understand grammar though. ... a little more THAN how to THROW. I wasn't being an ass to you, but if you get offended by the word "FUCK" you really shouldn't be in the forums.

chrismed · #10 09-01-2010, 06:43 AM

Ok, nope.. that is wrong. The issue does exist. I'm in a guild on the server with well over 100 people on in the afternoon and they all admit the issue exists and have even told me about the hit range thing that was posted and answered in another thread of the forum where the explanation for it was that they sped up the mobs run speed to compensate for the distance at which a mob could hit a person.
And yes, the first thing I was asked was.. is your toon over weight.. no.
Dual Core issue... no.
Internet speed.. no.
Graphics prob....no.
New to EQ... defiantly not.
Played a druid before... yes (along with alot of other toons the were LVL capped by the time I went to EQ2 and before I was a guide)
Also little back ground info.... I was the head internet tech / IT for a cable company for 5 years before I decided to become a jailer.
Also EQ runs flawless. I have no issues technical wise. And no... even with sow (unless I use snare) regular mobs like beetles.. wolves.. orcs.. lions.. etc.. can run just as fast and I can't out run them..
Is that using the run sideways and jumping thing.. ummm .. no.. shouldn't have to with sow on. You should be able to out run everything until Kunark if you have sow.
There were some mobs in Kunark that could actually run as fast or even out run sow in some of the zones.. but there weren't a lot.
And no I'm not offended by cursing.. I work with inmates all day that curse worse then a sailer at times.. I only get offended when it is the first thing a person starts with instead of actually sounding intelligent and discussing a matter or if it directed toward someone. I don't even let inmates curse "at" me.. of course I have been doing that now for the last 6 years.