Quest Issue: It's time to talk about the rogue epic

[paulgiamatti]

Anson McBale should be an uncommon spawn with a smuggler as his placeholder.
From The Safehouse:

– If Anson is not in the camp you will have to kill his smuggler placeholder.
- The smugglers are fairly high level and will require a full well rounded 50+ group to kill. (although they can be killed with less, it is unsafe to do so)

Eldreth should require at least indifferent faction for successful turn-ins and should be on a variant spawn timer spanning anywhere from many real-time hours to a few real-time days.
From The Safehouse:

If you don't have at least indifferent faction with him, SNEAK when turning in the items. Eldreth will then despawn.

- Eldreth is a totally rondom spawn spanning anywhere from many hours to a few days (Real Life Time).

Vilnius the Small should only spawn in place of a rare brigand spawn whose placeholder is a bandit that roams from the bandit camp up to the top of the hill at Vilnius' spawn location.
From The Safehouse:

He can be located in Western Karanas in the bandit camp at location +340, -6700. Making him spawn will take some work. First, be sure all bandits are in the camp. You must kill and continue to kill the bandit which runs from the camp to the top of the hill until the "brigand" spawns. The "brigand" is an ultra-rare spawn. Leave the "brigand" alone, and at 11 p.m. game time Vilinus the Small will spawn in his place. From here, there are 3 sub-quests you are able to complete all of which earn you a different item.

[Daldaen]

Anson - currently does have a placeholder, it's just that our server goes down so infrequently compared to live that he is basically always up. Unsure on commonality of his spawn. But I know after a reset someone's spent a few hours there killing that smuggler.

Eldreth I *thought* required indifferent faction, but I can't confirm since I'm indifferent to him already and not apprehensive. If he isn't that should be fixed. As for respawn:

From Allakhazam 2002-2001 range:

Did the quest with my friend he turned stuff in first and i get stuck with the 8 hour respawn time did not know time when i was their but something to laugh about i guess

Reported spawn time of this guy after handing in the rogue epic stuff is 8 hours. I don't know if this is true, if anyone could provide any insight on this that would be great.

Simdir of the 52nd Knife
Xegony

Vilnius sounds legit. But does the brigand replace him after he despawn in the day or is it random?

[paulgiamatti]

I can confirm Eldreth will take apprehensive turn-ins, have done it many times.

My best guess would be the brigand replaces the bandit placeholder on the regular bandit respawn timer, whether day or night, and then Vilnius will only replace the brigand at 11 pm.

[Daldaen]

K Eldreth definitely needs that fix. There are in era comments of him being 8 hours there, so I'm somewhat skeptical it was a multiday spawn.

As for Vilinus yea I got that, I'm just curious what happens when Vilinus despawns. Does it do a /roll between brigand and bandit. Or does it respawn the brigand since he was already up?

[paulgiamatti]

A roll between brigand or bandit sounds like classic EQ behavior to me, but on that point I suppose it'd be up to the developers.

From the wiki:

Always spawns at night, does not path.
Vilnius' placeholder is a brigand. The brigand, as well as all the bandits, are on the KaranaBandits faction, but Vilnius is indifferent to all.
However, Vilnius is not there all the time; he has a placeholder (the aforementioned brigand) who despawns around 9 or 10pm game time each day. Once the brigand despawns, Vilnius will spawn at 11pm game time (and will despawn at around 8am game time). If the brigand is up, don't kill him, just wait until he despawns. If you do kill him, Vilnius won't spawn, and you'll have to wait until the bandit spawns again. This time, LET the bandit despawn, and then Vilnius will spawn a little later. Sindier of Tholuxe Paells says that Vilnius always despawns at 6am game time and the brigand placeholder spawns at 8am game time.

It's unclear if "the brigand placeholder" refers to the brigand itself or its bandit placeholder.

[evilkorn]

There was a previous bug report on Vilnius, that is when he was changed to a night spawn. I'm pretty sure, that post was used as evidence for that fix.

Anson does have a PH and have seen people kill him to get Anson to spawn.

Eldreth, I hear from most posts 7-8hours (which I think is correct), to RL days, so that one is in the air. If you use that as evidence to change Eldreth, you also need to have Yendar as variable spawn time too because that same guide says they both are variable spawn time until 2002, where that page lists them both as 3 hour spawns. Then that same page says in 2006 they made Eldreth a 7.5 hour spawn.

Founy Jestands at location +520, +307, -35 - Currently does not spawn at that loc on p99. That loc is the Pottery Wheel where he should spawn.
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As a side note: General V`ghera, up until spring of 2001, used to *ALWAYS* drop a Cazic Quill, which meant that you didn't have to collect the robes, either! Now, he only drops it rarely (about 1 in 10 is the commonly-tossed around figure), so if you're lucky you won't need to collect the robes, but most people do.
http://web.archive.org/web/200112130...ger.html#gimpy

[Alunova]

Originally Posted by evilkorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Founy Jestands at location +520, +307, -35 - Currently does not spawn at that loc on p99. That loc is the Pottery Wheel where he should spawn.
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Fixed his spawn point and his face

[paulgiamatti]

On that note, if the Cazic Quill is an uncommon drop from General V`ghera then the Jagged Diamond Dagger should be an uncommon drop from Renux.

From the wiki:

Give Yendar tattered parchment and Book of Souls to spawn Renux. Kill Renux Herkanor, loot Translated Parchment and, if it drops, Jagged Diamond Dagger*.

*If Jagged Diamond Dagger or Cazic's Quill did not drop, do appropriate side-quest

[Alunova]

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On that note, if the Cazic Quill is an uncommon drop from General V`ghera then the Jagged Diamond Dagger should be an uncommon drop from Renux.

From the wiki:

I've been meaning to get to this for a while, but kept forgetting.

Fixed, pending update.

[Daldaen]

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I've been meaning to get to this for a while, but kept forgetting.

Fixed, pending update.

Wait... What...?

The Jagged Diamond Dagger always drops in the guides linked. The guides linked actually imply that the Cazic's Quill should drop every time from General until mid 2001 as well.

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To clarify, that is from matt.waggoner.com's walkthrough in the section describing how the quest was gimped in post-classic era, not from the P99 wiki.

It actually doesn't say that at all. It just says that the quest wasn't well thought out and you could easily skip a lot of it if you had a guide. But if you followed the text and did things in order, you would have to do all those things:

2001 Guide

Anyone familiar with any of the other epic weapon quests will probably be surprised that the Ragebringer quest is so simple. You have to kill all of 1 difficult mob (the General), and a handful of single-group mobs (Renux, the Coercer, the Ishva Mal, the Oracle of K'Arnon, the Ghoul Arch Magus), pickpocket two items, and run around a lot.

Originally, the Ragebringer quest was far more involved. You had to do the following (assuming you didn't know any spoilers about the quest):

1. Find Vilnius in WK and talk to him. He gave you a task to find Malka Rale in the Qeynos Aqueduct System.
2. Go to the QAS and talk to Malka. She gives you Stanos' Pouch.
3. You give Stanos' Pouch to Vilnius. He tells you that he needs you to do something for him: collect four swords - Painbringer (rare drop from Kobold Champion in Sol B), Fleshripper (rare drop from Kobold King in Sol B), a Mithril Two-Handed Sword (rare drop from the froglok king in Lower Guk), and a Gigantic Zweihander (Karg Icebear in Everfrost). Turn in the swords to Vilnius, and he gives you the Jagged Diamond Dagger as payment.
4. Vilnius then asks another task of you: collect four robes (the four mentioned above). For these, he gives you the Cazic Quill, another dagger.
5. He then asks one last task: collect four rapiers - a Martune Rapier (rare drop from Scorn Banshees in the Plane of Hate), an Eyerazzia (uncommon drop from Scarelings in the Plane of Fear), a Well-Balanced Rapier (purchasable from the Shady Swashbuckler in East Commonlands), and the Burning Rapier, which itself involves a long quest that will take at least 6-7 hours to do. For the rapiers, he gives you back Stanos' Pouch, and tells you to take it to Anson McBale in Highpass.
6. Give the pouch to Anson, and Stanos shows up. Talk to Stanos and he gives you the quest to recover the stained parchment pieces from Founy and Tani.
7. Get the parchment pieces, give them to Stanos, and go through the translation rigmarole above, kill Renux, get the Sealed Box, kill the General for his Pouch, at which point you have the Jagged Diamond Dagger, the Cazic Quill, and the General's Pouch, and Stanos gives you Ragebringer.

The quest was gimped in the following ways:

1. Renux, a mob you are REQUIRED to kill to complete the quest, ALWAYS drops the Jagged Diamond Dagger. As a result, you do not need to collect the four swords.
2. Stanos can be spawned by saying to Anson, "I need to see Stanos", which means that not only do you not have to collect the four rapiers, you don't even need to see Malka Rale. Hell, you don't need Stanos' Pouch AT ALL.
3. General V`ghera, up until spring of 2001, used to *ALWAYS* drop a Cazic Quill, which meant that you didn't have to collect the robes, either! Now, he only drops it rarely (about 1 in 10 is the commonly-tossed around figure), so if you're lucky you won't need to collect the robes, but most people do.
4. Even if you do need to get the robes, the ones you need are all tradeable (which means you can just BUY them, instead of having to bother camping for them) except for the Kedge robe, but that hardly matters, because you can multiquest the Kedge Robe.

Not that I'm complaining, mind you, but Ragebringer is by far the most common epic weapon because the quest was gimped so heavily. Verant can never change it back to full-strength, however, because so many rogues who haven't completed the quest would bitch insanely about the facts that 1) it's been this way for over a year, and 2) it's unfair that a whole bunch of people got to do the easy version just because they were able to do it first.

Those aren't post-classic changes. Those are just a list of oversights that make the epic easy. Infact one is the OPPOSITE of a post-classic gimping:

General V`ghera, up until spring of 2001, used to *ALWAYS* drop a Cazic Quill, which meant that you didn't have to collect the robes, either! Now, he only drops it rarely (about 1 in 10 is the commonly-tossed around figure), so if you're lucky you won't need to collect the robes, but most people do.

So general, during our time frame, should drop quill 100% of the time. Until mid-Velious. Making the quest easier. The quest was later made harder... Not gimped.