Raid Rule Madness

[Fael]

I just read that thread that derebeal felt the need to needlessly censor. It seriously boggles my mind why all these guilds and the GM's are arguing about the irrelevant minutia involved with pointing out any person whatsover that got on the hate list.

The issue is not people being on the hate list, the issue is a guild deliberately pulling the dragon to their raid force, and then killing it when they KNOW they have not secured FTE.

Who cares if "the mages are on there because of their pets" or if "BDA mages are COTHing bards 40+ seconds" later? No, those mages shouldn't be camping (COTH is easier), but even if they feel like being retards by extending the initial FTE, it doesn't become raid interference until some affirmative act occurs that rises to the level or a stall or a train way. Now, if any of those people got on the top of the aggro list like Theya and ran away from the dragon... that is another issue.

Why is golden throwing a jav a full twenty seconds after the intial FTE message? Probably because it was either a mistake or he thought aggro dropped at that instant and took a gamble to secure FTE (dragon movement is hard to judge). Since he took a gamble and failed, TMO hardly has room to complain about an extended FTE. What they do have room to complain about--what all guilds can complain about-- is a Taken guild leader deciding to pull and kill the dragon knowing full well they had no FTE.

Yes, "there were so many mistakes made here" and yes "it's clear that there are many people who don't understand"--not what this encounter log shows, but what real raid interference is--namely, deliberately aggroing a dragon and running it to your guilds camp to slay when you know you don't have FTE. There is no raid interference when a few people from various guilds find themselves on the encounter log in good faith. Even if it was after some ridiculous interpretation of the rules, it in no way absolves Taken of their deliberate "goof ups," where they make a multi-minute pull and engagement all the while knowing full well that they are breaking the rules.

You have made some very good decisions, but this one is a bad one.


Dolic
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