A Plea to the Staff of Project 1999

[Otto]

To the GM Staff of Project 1999:

I understand all of the hard work you've put in for this server to be what it is.

Actually, I don't. And I sincerely doubt ANYONE here can fully understand the amount of work you have put in for well over a year on this project. I would like to think that everyone is grateful for your work, but as we have seen over the past 2+ months, some people don't care.

There are your MacroQuesters, your Dupers, your two-boxers, your exploiters & cheaters. These individuals are specifically going against your wishes and destroying the integrity of the server. You have dealt with many of them, and some have been given second chances. However, some have not been dealt with. This is where the issue arises.

If you would stop sticking your heads into the raid target situation, you could deal with factual evidence of people exploiting, server development, and maybe even have a moment or two of relaxation!

Lets look at how this developed:

1. Raid targets begin as IB downs naggy 2x.
2. Server attack, Trans gets a shot at naggy.
3. Aeolwind pulls myself and Allizia aside to see if we can come to agreement.
4. One is not set in stone, but an idea is layed out.
5. IB moves on to kill vox, clear fear, kill Draco + CT. IB then downs naggy again.
6. Trans moves in to Permafrost for 14 hours.
7. Trans wipes to Lady Vox.
8. We were prepped and ready to go should this be the case, but we decide against it due to lag from DDOS (in good faith, in the spirit of fairness, and against our own self-interest).
9. After 3hours of patiently waiting for them to have a fair attempt, we leave. The ddos lag was too bad.
10. I receive a call at 1ish in the morning saying Trans had just killed a Vox that wasn't AEing. Rather than Tibador logging on his GM and reloading the PL (as has been done with us SEVERAL times), they just kill him.
11. They act as if its a legit Vox kill, and don't petition until afterwards. Whatever, deep breath, moving on:
12. Fear goes down for maintenance.
13. Trans moves into solb for 14 hours.
14. We decide to move in and attempt to be first to engage as the rules imply that we should.
15. Wenai steps in and sets up a server rotation with Aeolwind.

At no point in that pile of nonsense was there ever word to me about a rotation being enforced. I don't know who were the ones QQing and whining to you, but it certainly wasn't IB. It was a one sided complaint that you gave in to. It was only after this stupid rotation that you've implemented in which we started to bring our concerns to you. It seems to me that rather than dealing with the problem properly, you gave into people whining about not getting content handed to them. If you left it to the guilds, it would always be a competition for mobs; first prepared and first to engage.

I don't understand why the rotation was such a priority. We had shown good faith when we dealt with Lady Vox during the DDOS. On the other hand, there has been documented proof presented of Allizia and Tibador exploiting after specifically being warned about the Phinny pull. Then, on top of that, not fixing an obviously broken Vox before they downed her.

These issues have been brought to your attention as of one week ago today. A Whole week, and no repercussions. This is _sad_ when you consider the fact that we now have a 14 day MINIMUM ban hammer over our heads for handling raid targets in the classic manner.

Rather than giving it time to play out and see where it would lead, we've had to watch the GM's waste huge amounts of their time developing a very poor rotation which we are forced to follow for fear of a 14 day ban. This is just causing more ungratefulness for the server, and even more complaints. Please focus on the server, the broken content, and those who are exploiting it rather than the guild drama that is extremely one sided.

[Hasbinbad]

Instead of moving otto's post without addressing it, can we take a minute and address these very valid concerns?

[Wenai]

-Timeline is missing the fact that IB also showed up to Nagafen 5 hours early and claimed Nagafen. Proving that they were willing to operate under the system as long as it benefited them.
-Timeline is missing the fact that IB also showed up to Nagafen after Trans had been there for 14 hours early. Also missing the fact that you guys decided that the system that you guys were operating under should no longer apply to you.

At no point in that pile of nonsense was there ever word to me about a rotation being enforced.

When it became apparent that you guys were unable to co-exist we decided that something had to be done. It was decided that the only fair way to handle it was to ensure that both guilds split everything 50:50. So that meant that a rotation would be going in.

I don't know who were the ones QQing and whining to you, but it certainly wasn't IB.

I heard plenty of whining from IB when Trans started showing up 8++ Hours in advance for a spawn. In fact, that was the entire reason you guys decided you didn't want to follow the system anymore. You guys decided that the rules didn't apply to you anymore and wanted to just "engage first." You decided you wanted to write the server rules, sorry that isn't going to fly.

The implementation of the rotation solved two issues:
1) No longer need to show up 14 hours in advance.
2) No longer afraid of another guild rushing your target and KSing you.

The only way to get you guys to abide by these rules is with some form of leverage. That leverage was a 14-day ban. Ever since the rotation was announced, I have been very clear that we would be open to further suggestions and systems that people wanted to propose. Up until today the only suggestions we have really been told were, "Who ever engages first and does the most damage should get it!" Uhhh. Ya. No.

It seems to me that rather than dealing with the problem properly, you gave into people whining about not getting content handed to them.

Not at all. I feel the rotation fixed both of the gripes that both sides had. (See Above)

It seems to me that rather than dealing with the problem properly, you gave into people whining about not getting content handed to them.

First of all, don't assume your opinion is the only answer. Second of all we came up with a system that fixed both of the major issues that both sides were having. We are a PVE server, we need some form of order here on this server. It sounds to me like you have a severe case of PVP-Mentality. As far as I know, VZ/TZ is doing a fresh wipe. I suggest you guys check it out because your ethics aren't going to fly here. KSing, not respecting camps and not respecting your fellow players are not viable options here.

If you left it to the guilds, it would always be a competition for mobs; first prepared and first to engage.

No. If I left it up to the guilds, and your "first to engage" system, we would have 50-60 people sitting on top of Naggy's spawn point. With no one sure who really tagged it first. Then when it is all said and done, it turns out one Guild KS'd the other, you call for a GM to come revoke and re-distribute the loot dropped. Seriously dude, if you think everything would be roses; you are dead wrong.

I don't understand why the rotation was such a priority. We had shown good faith when we dealt with Lady Vox during the DDOS.

Yet you showed such bad faith when you attempted to go outside the current system and basically told me directly that you didn't care and that the guilds were "even." That is the thing about a system. If you start following it, you have to keep following it. Unfortunately you decided (as a guild apparently) that it was alright to go outside of the system that both guilds had been following for a few weeks because it no longer benefited you. That is why the rotation went into place. We need some form of order.

Want to know why the rotation was a priority? I have had a rather peaceful week and a half because there was no fighting over the spawns. There was no one asking me to come watch the raid and make sure nothing shady happened. I don't even know who has been killing what. That is how it should be. If it is FFA, it CAN'T be like that.

On the other hand, there has been documented proof presented of Allizia and Tibador exploiting after specifically being warned about the Phinny pull. Then, on top of that, not fixing an obviously broken Vox before they downed her.

What does this have to do with the rotation?

Rather than giving it time to play out and see where it would lead, we've had to watch the GM's waste huge amounts of their time developing a very poor rotation which we are forced to follow for fear of a 14 day ban.

Lol? Rather than giving it time to play out? We gave it probably three weeks or more. What more do you want? I had enough of asking you guys to play nice. Both parties have acted like complete children at one point or another. I guess this is your guys' turn to wear the tin foil hat. Enjoy it while you can, it seems to change heads quite quickly on this server.

Please focus on the server, the broken content, and those who are exploiting it rather than the guild drama that is extremely one sided.

I will. With the rotation in place, perhaps I will actually have time to look at issues at hand instead of babysitting you guys every few nights whenever a mob spawns.

It is really getting old. You have a chance to get rid of the rotation. You have a chance to help develop a system that we feel is fair. Grasp that chance. Embrace it. Make it the best you can that emphasizes competition and fairness.

[Keystone]

It isn't just a "PVP server mentality" to want to compete. I wish you'd quit fucking saying that stupid shit.

[Wonton]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When it became apparent that you guys were unable to co-exist we decided that something had to be done.

blah blah blah blah blah. lets the players play. you're only making a headache for yourselves by interfering.

[Supreme]

Rotation is what has worked over MANY servers for MANY years. Other than selfishness and immaturity their is no reason to protest a rotation.

[Wonton]

First to engage is what has worked over MANY servers for MANY years. Other than selfishness and immaturity their is no reason to protest a first to engage.

[Otto]

You keep painting the picture as if we had an agreed set of rules as to *whoever gets their first* gets the first shot.

Once again, it was an idea, a framework. It was never agreed upon and I wish you'd stop painting the picture that way.


You said, "-Timeline is missing the fact that IB also showed up to Nagafen after Trans had been there for 14 hours early. Also missing the fact that you guys decided that the system that you guys were operating under should no longer apply to you."

You missed quit a bit there. Not only was that in my post (IE numbers 13 and 14), I had informed Allizia over 5 days before that naggy kill that we would not be following the framework we had started working on.

You demean myself and my guild and our concerns and say we are missing all the facts. Don't get so high and mighty... you're missing them too.



As far as the rotation fixing both the gripes, you are sorely mistaken.

You stepped in the moment our first framework had failed. You didn't even give us the time to try out another solution.

I had my qualms with first to engage to begin with as well, but the more I looked back at live, the more I realized it was and is the way things were intended to be. For some reason though we are stuck on this idea that it'll just be a massive zerg fest in which we can't police ourselves on the first to engage thing.

On live this is exactly how it was. Guilds A, B, and C have their tracker locate a mob. Guild A and B mobilize instantly, C is late. Then, Guild A and B begin to buff. Guild A finishes first and engages. Guild B then has to wait, and C is just finally zoning in. Should Guild A wipe, Guild b gets a shot, if guild b wipes, then guild C (So long as they are prepared before guild A finishes their corpse run).

Anything short of this is not live-like. If you truly feel you have to police us, put in variance and remove the rotation. You'll be proven wrong.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Wonton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First to engage is what has worked over MANY servers for MANY years. Other than selfishness and immaturity their is no reason to protest a first to engage.

Is this your modus operandi?

[Deanob]

SOLUTION-

GM's just wash your hands clean of any spawn competition. Why do you care anyway? So as long the spawns are not being exploited in any way it shouldn't really matter to you...

Let the guilds duke it out, were all ADULTS, we don't need to be hand held.

100% of your time will be freed if you just walk away. Let it be FFA, let the spirit of the competition and game play it self out. No intervention is sometimes a good intervention. IMHO of course