Why so many new guilds?

[bktroost]

I keep seeing posts about new guilds forming and I ask myself why that is. Some of them have specific goals like baking and crafting guilds and EC trading guilds. But there is such a wide variety of guilds out there now I wonder why people arn't just forming up with an established one.

I know I made AG years ago because, at the time, I looked into the character and goals of the other, more popular, guilds and couldn't find a casual raiding guild that didn't poopsock ect, still got mobs of some kind, had a family mentality and was generally well liked in the community. But I feel like things have changed, there are such a variety of guilds out there now and everyone seems to be getting loot of some kind.

So are we as leaders not doing enough to advertise our guilds and what we are like? Is there anything we can do to show our character more and be more approachable across the board? I know the video thing that Tiggles did was probably a step forward.

Any thoughts?

[skipdog]

Yep, new guilds are forming.

And you think it is because current guild leaders are not doing enough to advertise their guilds and what they are like? You sure managed to fit a nice advertisement for your own guild in your own post on server chat...

And you also think it is somehow a 'problem" that merits you making this post to speak to other guilds about preventing this 'problem' of 'new guilds being formed'?

Is this real life?

[Pint]

I'm also a little confused, why are new guilds an issue? Most new players probably don't want to be member #50 in a guild full of established players

[Darkyle]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

everyone seems to be getting loot of some kind.

I thought that was the idea of Class R coming around? Not flaming here just pointing out that was what everyone seemed to want.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm also a little confused, why are new guilds an issue? Most new players probably don't want to be member #50 in a guild full of established players

I'd imagine they don't want to be guild member #5 of 10 either.

I think the comment is it's thinning the size of guilds too much, maybe? I'm not quite sure.

[Danth]

Middle tier guilds come and go. Much of the time they take the same general pattern of initial recruitment with modest plans, followed by a taste of raiding, then wanting more and pushing more until they no longer resemble their original intent. Usually that's followed by internal turmoil and much of the core splitting away to one of the long-term established guilds with the rest of the guild breaking up 5 or 6 months later and the players drifting to other new guilds to begin the process anew.

I like a guild with no attendance policy, no DKP, and that's permanently happy to stick to second- or third-tier content. Such guilds are few and far between on P1999 since the great majority of established guilds are either high-end or wish they could be but can't really compete with the present top contenders. A couple of the newcomer guilds seem to suit me (for now) so I'll enjoy it for the time being and not worry about where things'll be 6 months hence.

Danth

[sox7d]

ITT: why are you wasting your time if you'll never raid?


interesting point, though. i remember when bregan was a spam guild ran by a retarded lvl 35 druid and tried to lead a raid on runnyeye.

[bktroost]

Whoa, no, this is going in a different direction that i thought it would. I'm just thinking about my server on live. There were like 5 or 6 major guilds and a few minor ones that enjoyed things other than raiding. Seems there are a ton more guilds nowadays then there were on live.

You are saying the idea of vying for loot as member #50 seems more daunting than creating your own guild and vying for loot among 10ish guilds ranging between semi-organized to hardcore?

...I guess that doesn't make sense to me.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whoa, no, this is going in a different direction that i thought it would. I'm just thinking about my server on live. There were like 5 or 6 major guilds and a few minor ones that enjoyed things other than raiding. Seems there are a ton more guilds nowadays then there were on live.

You are saying the idea of vying for loot as member #50 seems more daunting than creating your own guild and vying for loot among 10ish guilds ranging between semi-organized to hardcore?

...I guess that doesn't make sense to me.

While the server population here only reaches 1/2 of what it was on live at any one time, think of all the players that have come and gone, and the players that are only here for a short time. Probably way more people have played on this server than played on a single server on live by kunark/velious timeline. People arriving late probably want guilds with people similar to their level (mains.)

[Swish]

"Why should I be a small fish in your guild when you can be a small fish in mine?" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree though, too many really.