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01-05-2014, 05:46 AM
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New order of p1999 janury 2014 and beyond?
Due to have no rigths to post in the Raid forum i will post some thougths here to be at the scrutiny of the trolls.
Staring of with saying that i have been on this server since the start days. Seen most, taken most targets, either live or here. and NOT an American. So as such my spelling or punctuation may be flawed. So for those that are inclined to troll this, go ahead if you feel a need to ridicule this instead of actually reading whats here..... and to all the " wall of text remarks" from the people with an attention span of a goldfish and intelect at same level. Its your loss, not mine. The nature of the last few weeks conflicts are somewhat simple.... 1 The gms devs support staff etc are tired of sheere amount of petition being result from the last years "competiton" style of raiding. 2 There are some guilds that think they have rigths to all just due to means and as such any and all others not them have rigths to nothing and should get nothing. Regardless of how its done, FTE, rules laywering, traning, sniping etc etc these guilds see themself as "hardcore" and all else as scrubs or carebears. 3 There are other guilds that put in just as many hours as the so called "hardcore" guilds, just as much tracking, just as much focus on resist gear, main or alt camping, mobilization, BUT refuse to take part in a gamestyle they feel are beneath their standards (see number 2). As such often called casuals which is a derogative term and far from the thruth. 4 This has lead to a polarization of minds where most seem to think there is 2 tiers of rading needed which indicate that there will NEVER be a server where all are able to coexcist and have to be separated with rules of conduct. Well lets think for a few seconds and ask some neccesary questions then.... WHo is this server for ? the 2 guilds ? for all ? for the majority ? Should all be allowed to see all content nomather what. As far as im conserned this server is for ALL that participate to simulate the good old days many years after its original timeframe and to deliver its best rendition of how it was then with better hardware and information. And as such it is for all. However that does not mean that all players have the insigth, willpower or ability to participate in all aspects of the content. (aim to be clearing VP with a playtime of 4 hours a week is just a stupid example). However the participants on the raid scene should all be allowed a relativly clean and orderly raid scene where you do you things as a player against the environment without the hazzle of player versus player element. Since this is a blue server after all. Rigth? Wrong ...... Due to the sake of "competiton" near all times a guild does anything in the raid scene here there is friction and animosity from other participants. Traning, leapfroging, sniping, bards pulling dracholiche single with no raidforce in zone, monks sending eyes on ct to start deathcycles to prevent other guilds to get attempts etc. etc. Why? The big question is this. What is the merit, the benefit of this "competiton" ? does it improve the server? does the mobs die faster? Smoother? In my humble opinion, no not at all. All it does is create animosity and friction and more work for staff. This is a cooperative game where a lot of people cometogther and use their online avatar toon to figth the obstacles of the game and beat challenges. As such they also use a lot of comunication and order to fill various roles to face these challenges, be that if its a duo, group, raid or guild politics. There are ofcourse variations of playstyle, and that is not a bad thing. There is more than one way to rome. Yet the overhead goal for all should be to coexist and respect their fellow participants in the system to the best of their ability to further the goal of all. To have fun and participate in a game that they like and enjoy..... So with all due respect... if you as a person are unable to coexcist and play alongside others in a relatively peacefull way that benefit the majority i suggest go play CS or some other of the newer shooters instead for clearly you are not worthy a spot on this server...... My suggestion to the GMs devs etc. Get rid of em. Why do you allow 10% to dictate the rules for the 90% majority? OR Keep the raid ban active indefintly. No more raid mobs ever until order is restored. The majority been literaly raid banned for 2 3 years already, so its about time the culprits and reason for it feel the pain aswell. and a end coment to the raid tier system..... That is rotation. And a scewed one that is no where near fair and just. not based on time invested,skill,numbers or anything elgible. Its based on track record and past history. If you are going to implement a system to create order and make it fair then you should look beyond history and instead create a system that IS fair. Regardless of guild status or history. The reason this is even contemplated now is due to a couple guilds consecutive greed over years. So instead of rewarding this.... how about strike down hard and harsh and say " no more". A fair rotation system for all guilds on this server is long overdue and as far as i am concerned the only method of salvaging this. Yes it will drive of some elements of the people that have thrived of the system until now. But we are better of without them. Frankly if you answer this with "no we wont force 2 guilds to concesions of raid targets to allow the remainder 90% of the server a fair shoot" then consider this ... you have forced consesions for the majority of the server for years. Why the hell is it not due time to recitify this situation and create some order and stability to the raid scene? This is an oportunity to start a new order of things. Do you have the guts for it or not ? Send me a tell in game or a PM if you want a full fledged system of order Rogean. Bigazz. | ||
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#2
01-05-2014, 06:00 AM
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An actual rotation is not going to happen.
A rotation based on raid styles of the different guilds is possible. That's where a majority of this "Tier" thing started, it's different play styles, not so much a "power" thing. Top raiding guilds and the more casual guilds have a majority of people who see it as a playstyle considering the majority realize that nearly every guild in these discussions can tackle 90% or more of the content given time to set up and engage. Bridging the gap between the two and allowing both their styles is the only way people are going to be able to settle on an agreement. Not forcing one side or the other to give the other dog a portion of "it's" bone or by forcing everyone to a style they don't necessarily agree with. TL;DR - Each side needs a "home" to call it's own and there needs to be a middle ground for them to compete.
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01-05-2014, 06:57 AM
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a rotation is a rotation if its based on tiers, guild entities, syndicates of guilds or whatever..... so that argument is mot. Rotation will happend. The question is what kind of system......
the style people choose to play with as indivdual entities (guild and their ethos and morale) differ...... that is correct. However due to kunarks extended longevity the " top radiing guilds " and the " casual " limitations and labeling is more or less errased. The server is top heavy and have a far greater ratio of epiced raid ready people, and guilds for that mather than on live during same timeframe. As of now there are atleast 8 guilds able to take down trak to get vp keys (if they have the skill to actually take down a dragon on their own in there is a whole other issue, but deservedly they should be allowed to try... which they dont due to traning and lack of rotation of VP) What differntiate the two styles now is more or less just the will to get their hands dirty for pixels and push their own epeen. no more not less. I argue that if based on skill (not zerg power) Guilds like Ateam, Bda, Divinity have far higher skill level individualy and overall due to the natuaral order of being complacent in a zerg force style. I do however ackwoledge that that there are some skilled individuals of a zerg force as well occasonaly. bridding this gap means a rotation where both styles need to give. And sorry do you think you are in a democracy here ? this is a server ran by a private individual as he see fit to please whoever he choose. either the 10% or the 90 %. >You can like it or not, but that is the facts. Any kind of rotation system, and i mean ANY!! have some mobs on rotation and some on FFA. that is obvious and self explanatory.... and who is what is what we are bickering about here. As an example i submit a cut and paste out of a example rotation setup just to show you. Trakanon Rotate Severilious Rotate Talendor Rotate Lord Nagafen FFA Lady vox FFA Feydadar Rotate Goirenaire Rotate Innoruk Rotate Maestro of rancor FFA Dracholiche FFA Cazic Thule Rotate Venril sathir Rotate Queen Velazul Di`zok FFA Overking Bathezid FFA Prince Selrach Di'zok FFA Master Yael FFA The collective Veshans peak Zone rotate (day by day) The collective Plane of sky Zone rotate (day by day) This is an example, and as you see half the targets are free for all, half is rotated, this will benefit the "hardcores" and the "casuals" alike. The home is the server, and the competition is unwaranted and not needed, its a illusion you spin to mask your greed to disalow others to get even or participate. Bigazz | ||
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01-05-2014, 07:01 AM
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Rotations between styles and rotations between guilds are two completely different animals. I'm suggesting making two different entities on the same server. You're suggesting guilds make a calender for (some)raid targets/zones.
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01-05-2014, 07:31 AM
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ermm what part of " all raids are suspended until this is sorted " dont you get ? Rogean makes the call, NOT you nor me. And if he wants it sorted and managable a full fleged rotation system sanction by the gms, set up and policed by the players is the way to go. He may not yet realized this fact. but sooner or later he will.
The tier propsal IS a rotation system , so that notion is already semented in thought. but the correct and finalized system has yet to be flegged out properly...... which is what we are working on nowadays. Well some are, some are still in the " we dont want to give any concesions whatsoever and are happy with the way things was prior to this lockdown. Well ofcourse some are / was happy then.... they had almost all other guilds on lockdown for two years and enjoyed a exclusive access to virtually all targets. (with some random targets eluding them to other guilds here and there, more a exception than a rule however.) Well newsflash sunshine..... the majority of the guilds here are probably happy with that lockdown continue endlessly for ALL guilds, including the "hardcores" or tier 1 or some other nonsense term you wich to call yourself, fact is you are players as are everyone else, with no more or less rigth of anything from the servers staff and gms. You are suggesting that some people on the server have " their own rules " and the rest " some other rules with less access " yeah that sounds about it. fair and well thougth out ........ What i am suggesting is that We the playerbase set up a system that allow ALL guilds here a fair shot at targets based on their own skill and endevour, where some are up for grabs by speed and reaction. Tracking and mustering and poopsocking. And some mobs are methodicaly rotated with as little fuz as possible to allow all a fair chanse to enjoy this server. So my suggestion still stand. Keep it locked down endefinitly until a proper rotation is agreed. Bigazz | ||
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