Naive People are Dangerous

[EchoedTruth]

Beware of stupid people... you can find them on your streets, at your office, and even on your TV. Signs of stupid people can be widely varying, and may include:

- Blaming objects for the actions of people (guns, drugs)
- Blaming animals/children for being raised by stupid people and in-turn, acting out.
- Blaming random forms of entertainment for the actions of stupid people (movies, video games)
- Trying to find something to blame when the fault lies in this society's lack of emphasis on education, respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.

Spread the word!

[killaessedai]

You lack insight into a lot of things you are speaking of. You talk of respect and stupidity, while posting disrespectful and arrogant posts. You are trying to make a good point, but are using sweeping generalizations, while behaving in a manner similar to what you are speaking against.

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by killaessedai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You lack insight into a lot of things you are speaking of. You talk of respect and stupidity, while posting disrespectful and arrogant posts. You are trying to make a good point, but are using sweeping generalizations, while behaving in a manner similar to what you are speaking against.

You lack the ability to process sarcasm, and see the inherent truths behind such [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Edit: Just wondering, what is disrespectful and/or arrogant and/or generalizing (the irony being that you are generalizing my statements without posting specifics; while trying to call me out for generalizing ... is ... yea), in my statement?

[killaessedai]

You mirrored xenu's thread after calling everyone morons, this thread in itself is veiled disrespect.
I agree with a lot of the points you are making, but being generalizations they are kind of misleading. Everyone is to blame for their own actions, but to pretend that there isn't factors that contribute is insanity. The contradiction is even in your post.

- Blaming random forms of entertainment for the actions of stupid people (movies, video games)
- Trying to find something to blame when the fault lies in this society's lack of emphasis on education, respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.

You say its stupid to blame random forms of entertainment because the fault lies in society's lack of respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.
Yet in a lot of ways our entertainment (music, violent video games, violent movies) contributes to our society having a lack of respect for fellow human beings and concern for others. Am i blaming these things? No, because the blame lies with the person.
I agree with your main point, but taking a perspective like yours almost destroys any possibility to talk of external factors that influenced someone's decision.

Another example is you say its stupid to blame drugs for a person's decision. There is a lot of crime that would have never been committed if not for drugs. Ultimately the person is to blame, but it's an aggravating factor that can't be ignored.

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Drugs are very powerful, you make the decision to take them, but sometimes the decisions made while on them are a lot different then the one you would make while not on them.

You can't just go oops its just stupid people, looking at things that happen that lead to people making horrible decisions is important.

[killaessedai]

It wasn't the exact spirit of your post.
But considering Ive been accused of blaming video games, movies, and music for gun violence when all i did was suggest that such things probably have a lot bigger impact on school shootings than a gun, I felt the need to go into this.
It almost seems like it has become too easy to discredit someone's view on certain subjects just by saying they are blaming this or that, when all a lot of people are doing are pointing out external factors contributing to what happened. Then it almost seems all dialogue on that subject is destroyed, because you are blaming something else and not the person.

Dialogue is important.

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by killaessedai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mirrored xenu's thread after calling everyone morons, this thread in itself is veiled disrespect.
I agree with a lot of the points you are making, but being generalizations they are kind of misleading. Everyone is to blame for their own actions, but to pretend that there isn't factors that contribute is insanity. The contradiction is even in your post.

- Blaming random forms of entertainment for the actions of stupid people (movies, video games)
- Trying to find something to blame when the fault lies in this society's lack of emphasis on education, respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.

You say its stupid to blame random forms of entertainment because the fault lies in society's lack of respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.
Yet in a lot of ways our entertainment (music, violent video games, violent movies) contributes to our society having a lack of respect for fellow human beings and concern for others. Am i blaming these things? No, because the blame lies with the person.
I agree with your main point, but taking a perspective like yours almost destroys any possibility to talk of external factors that influenced someone's decision.

Another example is you say its stupid to blame drugs for a person's decision. There is a lot of crime that would have never been committed if not for drugs. Ultimately the person is to blame, but it's an aggravating factor that can't be ignored.

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Drugs are very powerful, you make the decision to take them, but sometimes the decisions made while on them are a lot different then the one you would make while not on them.

You can't just go oops its just stupid people, looking at things that happen that lead to people making horrible decisions is important.

I can't possibly begin to agree with your point. While you make it eloquently - I grew up watching Aliens, Predator, all the bloody, violent, 80s and 90s movies, and games. I would never hurt a fly. I apologize to bugs if I have to kill them. The only time I would ever raise my hand in violence is to defend someone being attacked and/or myself. I grew up surrounded by violent games, movies, media, etc... and I would consider myself a very strong pacifist. I like violent games/movies because they give me an outlet for my frustrations (when I have them). I am the way I am because my mother raised me to respect and love my fellow human beings and other animals we share this planet with. If it were not for her, I would likely be different - not because of violent media, but because I lacked the strong foundation of mutual respect, appreciation, and peaceful nature.

[killaessedai]

You don't see my point, because you are only looking at it from your perspective.
You're not everyone and your situation is far different than other people.

If it were not for her, I would likely be different - not because of violent media, but because I lacked the strong foundation of mutual respect, appreciation, and peaceful nature.

In this society your mother is one of the few places to gain that foundation. Without it you would have been lost in a violent, cruel world, with very few voices of sanity. Can we only blame the parents when children do violent things? Especially when you realize the parents are about the only people teaching these things nowadays, and everything else you see tells you to be the opposite.

- Trying to find something to blame when the fault lies in this society's lack of emphasis on education, respect of one's fellow human beings, and lack of concern for others.

You said it yourself man....
Part of society is not just us humans but TV, music, and video games.

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by killaessedai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't see my point, because you are only looking at it from your perspective.
You're not everyone and your situation is far different than other people.



In this society your mother is one of the few places to gain that foundation. Without it you would have been lost in a violent, cruel world, with very few voices of sanity. Can we only blame the parents when children do violent things? Especially when you realize the parents are about the only people teaching these things nowadays, and everything else you see tells you to be the opposite.




You said it yourself man....
Part of society is not just us humans but TV, music, and video games.

You completely missed the point.













We should be well-grounded, moral, and respectful enough of each other and this planet to be able to interpret art as art. Max Payne 3 was a gruesome video game, but it had a powerful story to tell. In my opinion it is art. Violence in real life, is deplorable. There is a clear distinction, and people should not have an issue seeing that.
Respect and understanding.

[killaessedai]

As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world. You're deluding yourself to think otherwise. I'm not saying remove all violent movies, but there will always be violence in this world as long as we continue to consume it like we do.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by killaessedai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another example is you say its stupid to blame drugs for a person's decision. There is a lot of crime that would have never been committed if not for drugs. Ultimately the person is to blame, but it's an aggravating factor that can't be ignored.

Drugs are very powerful, you make the decision to take them, but sometimes the decisions made while on them are a lot different then the one you would make while not on them.

You can't just go oops its just stupid people, looking at things that happen that lead to people making horrible decisions is important.

It is stupid to blame the drugs/alcohol, it's the person's fault, nobody held a gun to the person's head and told them to get intoxicated/high in the first place, it's society's fault for even allowing the type of culture to exist in the first place. "Blaming society" is something different you might say? Not from what I'm looking at, it's a society of people, who are all contributing to the problem.

You will never, under any circumstance see me show any remorse or pity for anyone who tries to make themselves a 'victem' after deciding to go out binge drinking or shooting up which results in something bad happening. You're inviting disaster no matter what way you look at it.

Originally Posted by killaessedai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As long as violence exists in movies and games it will exist in this world. You're deluding yourself to think otherwise. I'm not saying remove all violent movies, but there will always be violence in this world as long as we continue to consume it like we do.

Gotta take out the internet and burn all of the history books then.

Part of the 'entertainment' is making a statement about the things that you aren't in fact supposed to do or more accurately, things that wouldn't be a good idea (both intelligently and morally) to do.