Rogues, Mrylokar Dagger/Vyemm's Fang/Claw of Lightning + epic

[syztem]

So I posted this in server chat originally but aside from the already known fact that blue has had good luck with vulak weapons(mrylokar daggers in general) and I don't know about vyemm fangs. I am curious what blue rogues are parsing, if any actually are with these in mainhand with epic offhand.

Claw obviously you can't MH but Vyemms Fang seems like a very nice alternative MH for straight PVE encounters. The average backstab parses a bit lower, but the average hit is much lower then one would think, making the attack speed + damage fast as hell. I am not a primal rogue, about 6 of my guild rogues are. And I used to usually fall somewhere in the middle or the bottom in terms of DPS on fights. Ever since switching fang MH it is a lot easier to keep up with them if not surpass more often. I have something like 1322 ATK with CoTP, primal puts these other rogues into the upper 1400s and 1500atk+ with bards.

Here is a vulak fight parse:

PrimalRogue_1 62k @83dps (6.38%) <-- was with a bard, epic proc + ervaj.

Me_00 55k @73dps (5.65%)

PrimalRogue_2 52k @70dps (5.4%)

PrimalRogue_3 52k @70dps (5.35%)

PrimalRogue_4 50k @67dps (5.15%)

PrimalRogue_5 49k @68dps (5.1%)

So the fights have been looking pretty similar to this since going fang MH, Personally from past parses Just being equal or slightly ahead is easily a 5-8k dmg gap. Account for some RNG on backstabs, and hits etc I still think I did pretty well.

We have no mrylokar daggers, or other vyemm fang rogues to compare to on red. rogue #1, #2, and #4 are epic/claws. #3 is Kreizens Flame. So I don't suppose any blue rogues have been keeping up parses to see? Old school information shows that Vyemm Fang MH should outbeat epic easily, but I can't find anything pre-dating the backstab modifier addition to rogues even though fang didn't give it afaik but mrylokars did? Mrylokars would be best MH with epic offhand and probably vyemms fang range slot from everything ive found(except on pvp server preference might come to a primal bow).

Maybe within a month I will have primal to test equally, i THINK right now the best outside of mrylokar dagger(which I will take a while to acquire, since rogues in my guild have been waiting months for it to drop) Would maybe be epic/claw with vyemm offhand?? or if anyone can provide some parses, or their view anything is appreciated.

[Endonde]

As of right now Vyemm's fang is bettter than Myrlokar Dagger for main hand, Mrylokar Dagger does seem to have the backstab modifier on this server so you will be able to deal max backstabs with it even though it's currently a 12 dmg wep.

The difference between the two currently is pretty small, however in the near future Mrylokar dagger get's upgrades, and becomes far and away the best main hand.

Also I wouldn't look at a parse from any one specific encounter and try to make any assumptions based on that, unfortunately there is too much RNG involved in EQ rogues to tell anything without extensive testing.

[syztem]

The vulak listed was just one of many many parses, I have other fights ie dain, ntov dragons, AoW, trash mobs, fear/draco.

[Pint]

Post more fights please

[syztem]

unfortunately doesn't really do much good unless someone else has parses, primal and non primal with mryo or fang. Small chance any of said rogues even parse, let alone post.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Endonde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mrylokar Dagger does seem to have the backstab modifier on this server so you will be able to deal max backstabs with it even though it's currently a 12 dmg wep.

I checked with nilbog on that a while back and he couldn't see anything on the weapon in the database that would cause that.

[Akashx]

I don't post really but ill drum something up for you soon.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by syztem [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

unfortunately doesn't really do much good unless someone else has parses, primal and non primal with mryo or fang. Small chance any of said rogues even parse, let alone post.

I just want to see what you're parsing vs all the ragebringer mainhand rogues in my guild, I have a good general idea of what they can put out. Fights without dodging and slow aoes would be ideal

[syztem]

Dain:

Me 30k @68dps (7.01%) ---
PrimalRogue_C 28k @63dps (6.46%) ---
PrimalMonk_CH 26k @58dps (5.97%) --- primal monk
Rogue_SP 20k @45dps (4.68%) --- epic/mithril for the most point
Rogue_I 18k @41dps (4.13%) --- basically epic/mithril too
PrimalRogue_Gr 17k @38dps (3.98%) - was on rampage, ended up dying no idea what %


Tormax:

PrimalRogue_C 23k @97dps (5.67%) ---
Me 20k @81dps (4.81%) ---
PrimalRogue_CS 19k @79dps (4.66%) ---
PrimalRogue_Gr 16k @67dps (3.99%) ---
PrimalMonk_B 16k @63dps (3.77%) ---
Rogue_P 15k @63dps (3.76%) - epic/crap offhand

Vindi:

PrimalRogue_G 7k @108dps (0.54%) ---
PrimalRogue_CS 6k @82dps (0.42%) ---
Me 5k @79dps (0.39%) ---
PrimalMonk_B 5k @81dps (0.38%) ---

Dracoliche: (hitbox is bad on this one, so I stuck to its back left foot pretty well, not sure how well others kept up this could be a hit or miss)

Me 31k @84dps (13.44%) ---
PrimalRogue_C 27k @73dps (11.82%) ---
Rogue_I 23k @60dps (9.75%) ---
Monk 18k @49dps (7.89%) ---
Rogue_D 16k @43dps (6.94%) ---
PrimalRogue_Gr 14k @39dps (6.18%)

Zlexak:

PrimalRogue_G 12k @47dps (7.94%) ---
Me 11k @44dps (7.57%) ---
Primal_MonkCH 9k @36dps (6.09%) ---
PrimalRogue_CS 9k @34dps (5.79%) ---
MonkSP 7k @28dps (4.73%) ---
RogueDz 7k @30dps (4.54%)

Koi:

PrimalRogue_M 18k @85dps (6.19%) ---
PrimalRogue_G 17k @80dps (5.74%) ---
Me 16k @77dps (5.47%) ---
PrimalRogue_Ck 15k @73dps (5.24%) ---
PrimalRogue_C 15k @68dps (5%) ---
PrimalMonk_CH 14k @67dps (4.91%)


Keeper:

PrimalRogue_G 19k @91dps (6.83%) ---
PrimalRogue_GR 17k @83dps (6.16%) ---
Me 16k @83dps (6.05%) ---
PrimalRogue_CS 14k @71dps (5.29%) ---
PrimalMonk_CH 13k @63dps (4.67%) ---
Monk 12k @60dps (4.44%)

Telk:
PrimalRogue_M 11k @103dps (8.05%) ---
PrimalRogue_C 9k @85dps (6.64%) ---
PrimalRogue_GR 9k @83dps (6.54%) ---
Me 8k @82dps (6.39%) ---
PrimalRogue_CS 8k @71dps (5.67%) ---
PrimalRogue_G 7k @69dps (5.42%)


I have other fights like klandi, zlandi etc but those are way too different and resist dependent etc. Labeled rogues so I would remember, and can look back at it to know who was who instead of just going down the list as 1 2 3 4. And aside from that, I just got the fang like a week ago so thats as much as ive parsed.

Also @ mrylo dagger is really its 12 dmg version? I thought it was the 15? I couldn't find anyone on blue to link it to me to see, Nor do I know how many mrylokar daggers or vyemm fangs blue has. I log everything, so I will be looking forward to comparing these pre primal parses to post primal.

Edit - I should add, normally pop duelist especially when kunark was the era because 32k hp mobs. With vyemm fang, I am curious if Deadeye is 100% the way to go now over duelist. I always remembered deadeye being the go-to disc for velious+ era due to duelist only being worth it in pvp and low hp mobs for burst. Deadeye nets you 3 backstabs guaranteed, plus with fang MH that is a lot of swings.

[grannock]

Why isnt the vulak dagger a better version, every other item in the game is the later versions?