Lore wise, are the Claws of Veeshan evil?

[Tobius]

Veeshan herself seems like she was kind of a dick, beefing with Brell who is a good dude.

The CoV dragons are just isolationists who want to chill and worship their god in peace?

Is it ethical to kill them? Especially to kill the poor little key dropping drake after you've already befriended them to ally?

Not a troll post. Genuine ethical question over elf simulator pixels.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tobius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it ethical to kill them?

Is it ethical to kill most of the stuff we kill in EQ? Of course not: ethics says that if some being(s) are hanging out somewhere and they're not hurting anyone, then it's unethical to go hurt them. That description applies to most mobs, even many "evil" ones.

Plus, of the remaining mobs that fight with each other, who's to say who is good or evil? Are the Trolls evil for defending their home? Sure they are primitive cannibals who conquered their home from other primitives, but so were some native peoples; did that make it ok for the Europeans to wipe them out?

Similarly, the Frogloks want to take back their ancestral home using violence ... so basically they're like the Palestinian people: does that make them evil?

Questions of ethics are best left for the real world; in EQ ethics are what you make of them, faction is all that really matters.

[MagpieRockyl]

Veeshan is a space dragon and put dragons on Norrath first, before anyone, including your precious Brell. Brell and the other gods came second and made mortal races to compete for Norrath.

It really depends on your moral code. Do you believe in manifest destiny as a mortal race? After all, your god created YOU to reclaim Australia (norrath) from the Abo dogs (dragon brood).

Mostly, dragons dindu nuffin and you're a dick for hunting them.

The funny thing is that Veeshan is a swole as birch who is off terraforming and colonizing other planets with her dragoons, she's so alfalfa she doesn't even care about this puny world.

The real answer to your question is that YES it is ethical, as long as you are a halfling or working for Mayor Gubbin. Mayor Gubbin is the biggest Democratic leader in all of Norrath and he is voted into office by the people. Rivervale leads the entire planet in terms of highly developed democratic capitalist system. The hobbits are a truly FREE people, and this is why we are so often hunted and harmed by the NON-FREE people of NOrrath (iksar scum who quake beneath the rule of their tyrants). The juxtaposition between Rivervale and Cabilis is a direct nod to the early 70s movie Easy Rider. The thesis of Easy Rider is that being free, truly free, frightens people more than anything. And that the most dangerous people are those who 'believe' they are free, yet are prisoners of their society. The iksar scum are the rednecks of Easy Rider while the good Hobbits are the pure hearted cocaine dealing free boys who ride their choppers on a glorious trip thru America.

Furthermore, Cabilis must be destroyed. The Rivervale Vanguard follows Decree IV of Article XIV of the Rivervale Constitution, which is that Rivervale must destroy her enemies both at home and abroad. Therefore, whenever the hobbit Council identifies a foreign threat, the Vanguard is fully sanctioned by Dear Leader Gubbin to dispose of that threat in its own home and to reap whatever platinum gains may be had, to bring the platinum gains back to Rivervale, and to increase the production of Jum.

The most important thing you can do, if you care about GOOD in Norrath, is to ally yourself with Gubbin and help in the conquest of all Norrath. We must unite the world beneath Gubbin. The hobbits will make you free!!

[Crawdad]

I've always assumed raiders were the bad guys.

Nagafen and Vox: Dragons being dragons
Venril Sathir: Just some old lizard floating in his castle
Trakanon: Just some old undead dragon being a dragon
Vesshan's Peak: More dragons being dragons
Gorenaire/Talendor/Severilous: Dragons enjoying a stroll
Dain, Tormax, Yelinak: Just some dudes trying to lead their people
Sleepers Tomb: We ruin a dragon jail because we can
Planes of Power: We fuck things up so bad we have to be sent back in time

Luclin has.. some kind of rationale, but all I remember is VT key PTSD.

[ZiggyTheMuss]

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Planes of Power: We fuck things up so bad we have to be sent back in time.

kind of ironic considering that PoP fucked things up and now we find ourselves on p99, back in time.

[Raavak]

Weren't Nagafen and Vox kicked out of CoV for considering to mate?
And of course VS is opposite CoV because of the whole sarnak warring with dragons thing.

[Sadiki]

I never thought CoV were evil. If anything, they're pretty good bros.

There's a subplot where Yelinak befriended a guy named Kragen Morshire, and he betrayed them, causing them to be wary of anyone else. It's to the point that he doesn't want you in Skyshrine unless you literally go kill his mortal enemy for him. I've never found this lore expanded upon.

[Dolalin]

Ethics are the pseudo-religious morals of people like Emmanuel Kant. Preachy and annoying, just like religious morals, but made even more insufferable by their supposed secular nature, as if they derive from natural law itself. They don't.

In short, kill everything.

[branamil]

The CoV believe in the superiority and domination of dragon kin. Their end goal is extermination of all non-dragons. So it’s moral to oppose them if you’re not a dragon.

Sub-plot: I think they should have put Illusion: Drake in the game.

[fastboy21]

Claws of Veeshan are the "good" dragons.

Ring of Scale are the bad dragons.