Let's be real for a moment

[Abacab]

Why are we handling raid encounters like the U.S Senate? Do we really have to have rules of order to engage mobs?

The 30 minute timer doesn't work especially in fear when you can just chain charm a mob to keep the timer from being called, the 15 in a zone is detrimental cause it holds a encounter if you can only muster 14 (the difference between 14 and 15 is what one bard? One druid?) it's not make or break to an extreme sense.

These encounters should be first to hit, first to get, If any guild thinks they can attempt a mob with less than 15 let them, if another guild is behind them and thinks that this guild is too slow they should just make their way to the mob, I'm not advocating KSing the mob but dear god do we really have to sit and twiddle our thumbs for 30 minutes for a guild to engage?

These rules are not so much raiding as much as inter-guild politics, and it not only feels fake to the classic experience but they're total bullshit to begin with and serve no point other than to deter "collateral damage"

Very few people in the end game scene like these rules, everyone else I've talked to wants FFA, they want the ability to compete as rival guilds not play Rogers rules of order on every single encounter, and you as GM's should have to babysit, and coddle these raid guilds.

If a raid guild is crying to you in IRC about X guild leapfrogging, or Y guild cockblocking their encounter, you as GMs have the right to ignore those complaints, it's not going to hurt the server because cry babies always return and if they don't, did you really want them here in the first place?

I'd say remove these ridiculous raid rules, and stop enforcing them, let raid disputes be between the players and keep it FFA, or have you completely forgotten what EQ was 10 years ago or even 2 years ago for that matter?

[Taluvill]

I agree with the FFA call, but if CT pop,s he will be the one issue. No guild will clear the zone if needed to do so, for fear someone else will engage CT

I'd say remove these ridiculous raid rules, and stop enforcing them, let raid disputes be between the players and keep it FFA

atm, we do police our raid situation. They had a guild meeting for that

[Virtuosos]

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[Zithax]

Thanks to former transcendence members for that? Where were you when IB was asking for FFA when the rotation was around? We had to engineer this bullshit to keep it mildly fair and get out of that dreadful rotation.

[Abacab]

Originally Posted by Virtuosos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

less than 15 is fine, dont care..if you think you can do it with a group of 5...then go for it.

but allowing people the chance to ks and leapfrog is dumb...its a dick move on the frogger's part and every1 should have a relatively fair chance....if you got a force of 10 trying to clear to a boss and a group of 30 comes out of no where, starts clearing as well and then attacks first....then boo -.-

Isn't KSing if they are the first to hit, KSing implies after they are engaging and you bring a crew of 10 mages to burn the mob down... As for leap frogging it's done on a daily basis in groups, it only is frowned upon so highly on raids and to be honest it was the creme of the crop in terms of competition, and its not that big of a deal because it forces you to get bigger forces, and clear more quickly.

[Abacab]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with the FFA call, but if CT pop,s he will be the one issue. No guild will clear the zone if needed to do so, for fear someone else will engage CT



atm, we do police our raid situation. They had a guild meeting for that

Eventually someone will clear because the zone HAS to be clear to get the mob (you can stalemate as much as possible but someone is gonna start whacking mobs) and once it's clear obviously it's going to be a rush to the mob to who can get it first.

No one is going to rush CT less the zone is clear so any guild can prepare for that by pulling as close to CT as possible and be in prep for the pull

[Abacab]

Originally Posted by Zithax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks to former transcendence members for that? Where were you when IB was asking for FFA when the rotation was around? We had to engineer this bullshit to keep it mildly fair and get out of that dreadful rotation.

Cause you guys never listen to me? I've made my stance on the mobs clear on several occasions, to Xzerion, to Daidraco, to my own guild it's not like I've never brought this up.

I was a very large proponent for randomly spawning all raid encounters on a random date once a week and have a FFA brawl to get as many mobs down as possible, like on a Tuesday night have Inny, CT, Naggy, Vox pop on some arbitrary timeslot have the raiding guilds rush their target and kill as quick as possible to try and score a second or third.

Rinse and repeat that process but choose another date so people don't camp the encounters and so it fosters the competition without making absurd rules of engagement

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Abacab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cause you guys never listen to me? I've made my stance on the mobs clear on several occasions, to Xzerion, to Daidraco, to my own guild it's not like I've never brought this up.

I was a very large proponent for randomly spawning all raid encounters on a random date once a week and have a FFA brawl to get as many mobs down as possible, like on a Tuesday night have Inny, CT, Naggy, Vox pop on some arbitrary timeslot have the raiding guilds rush their target and kill as quick as possible to try and score a second or third.

Rinse and repeat that process but choose another date so people don't camp the encounters and so it fosters the competition without making absurd rules of engagement

People are going to bitch no matter what system you have. We have a fucking automated spawn variance system and people still think one guild is receiving inside info or using hacks to know when mobs are spawning. Now imagine the shit storm if the mobs were all set to spawn at the same time on a certain date and one guild managed to get there before the others?

[Gwence]

The system right now isnt terrible, just needs a few tweaks I think.

PoFear stuff should be worked out more specifically to avoid some of these retarded "technicalities".

You definitely shouldnt get 30 minutes on Naggy if the fire giants are already down, likewise with vox if ice giants are already down. It should be cut to 10 min like CT if they are down prior to the dragon spawning.

If you go FFA added with spawn variance, IB will get everything. While that is perfectly fine with me =p, I have a hard time believing a majority of people would support that. The system in now has started to show that some of the other guilds can get some kills here and there, even though they usually have to team up with another guild or camp in a zone 5 days out of the week. They still get to say they killed the mean boss!

[Virtuosos]

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