Spells: Shadow Knights & Vampiric Embrace

[Hakurou]

So today I feel like shooting myself in the foot as I just got this spell, but in classic (and probably even today) shadow knights get a toned down proc version of Vampiric Embrace. Currently they're using the way too powerful necro version.

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/po...topic_id=67013

Originally, SOE just wanted to have hybrid spells be retreads of parent caster spells.



Thus, the only hp drain proc we received was "Vampiric Embrace."



The problem for SOE was that the Necro version was super powerful for SK's, since unlike Necro's, SK's actually you know melee. So, what they ended up doing was sneakily making two versions of the same spell that were called by the same name -- Vampiric Embrace.

Yeah I know Lucy data:
VampEmbraceNecro: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.htm...21&source=Live
vs
VampEmbraceShadow: http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.htm...22&source=Live

Logic bonus: Why would SKs get a downgrade to their proc in Velious (50 dmg, vs the current 70ish dmg)?
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spell.htm...59&source=Test

[Palemoon]

You are correct, as a SK back in the day this was how it was, along with lifetaps costing more for an SK to cast then a necro.

[uygi]

According to Lucy, Live is currently effectively the same as P99 is now. Both SKs and necros get the spell Vampiric Embrace, which adds a proc named Vampiric Embrace. There is no different version, at least in any way that Lucy can decipher. The only visible difference, according to Lucy, between Live and current day P99 is that the name of the proc was changed on live:

2006-10-30 20:24 Changed Name from VampEmbraceNecro to Vampiric Embrace

There is some evidence that you're correct, but I don't see anything reliable, especially anything that indicates the proc change was in classic era. The Allakhazam page for VampEmbraceShadow has comments supporting this, but all dated 2003 or later. I see no other support for the difference, including the comments for Vampiric Embrace itself and VampEmbraceNecro (which as said has since been renamed on Live). Dunno.

[Hakurou]

Here's a spell list from 2001:
http://web.archive.org/web/200106300...s.asp?Class=SK

Vampiric Embrace Self Only Lifetap Proc (Max: 31)

[Hakurou]

While I'm at it. There also was a long standing bug with Vampiric Embrace procs triggering the global spell recast timer, which wasn't resolved until 2003:

Vampiric Embrace - We have corrected a bug with this spell that would prevent the character from casting for a couple of seconds after the proc went off.

http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20030514.html

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by Hakurou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a spell list from 2001:
http://web.archive.org/web/200106300...s.asp?Class=SK

If you click on the spell in this link provided above you can find a post that states:

NECRO VS SK, By Uzara (4/12/2001)

There seems to be some confusion out there about how much damage this spell does. For Necromancers it does Level+12 damage when it procs. For Shadowknights it does Level/2 damage when it procs. Hope that clears things up a bit. (I still use it occasionally with my necro at mid level, efficient if it procs a few times)


Obviously this is a velious era quote, but it makes sense, ive always known them to be different but do not have a SK on p99, only a necro.

Anyone able to find a post or link from kunark or classic era?

[Zeelot]

The spell is no different for necro/SK and never was. It's the exact same spell for both. It's also working as it should and doing the amount of damage it should be doing. That casters-realm is inaccurate and only lists the max dmg at level 22 (inaccurately). It lists the same max damage as 31 well past 2002 and luclin - and it was never maxed at 31 then either. Always 72 at level 60.

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The spell is no different for necro/SK and never was. It's the exact same spell for both. It's also working as it should and doing the amount of damage it should be doing. That casters-realm is inaccurate and only lists the max dmg at level 22 (inaccurately). It lists the same max damage as 31 well past 2002 and luclin - and it was never maxed at 31 then either. Always 72 at level 60.

Suppose that could be so, I dont claim to know 100%... but after limited research there are posts making it at least worth more research.


Id take a post from 2001 any day

Over someone simply saying " this is the way it was, I promise "

If you are sure, I assume there will be no problem finding the obvious proof.

[Brinkman]

Also strange, two different people in the same link saying they work differently. Again velious era but still.. Its enough to raise an eyebrow.

HP CAP INCORRECT, By Zelaide (5/24/2001)

As previous necro has stated, hp cap is incorrect. I played with it on my lvl 35 necro and got procs in thee 40's. I'm pretty sure it goes even higher, if i can recall from my old necro. Anwyays, I also know the spell works differently for sk's and necros, necros get higher procs at any given lvl. Don't have an sk, perhaps 31 is the max sk proc.

[Brinkman]

hmmm EQ shadowknight from waybackmachine June 21, 2000 ( kunark era )

http://web.archive.org/web/200006211...hq.com/s3.html

Adds a drain proc for use in combat, drains (Level/2 + 1) hit points

This makes the 31 max at lvl 60 make sense.

What we need to find is posts from Shadowknight specific sites. I am sure most necro sites from back then would list what the spell did for Necros And im also sure they will say Sk get the same spell at lvl 22. Doesnt mean they actually did the same thing, or were even the same spell.



P.S. this is pretty close to overwhelming ( at least for p99 in kunark era ) Need to find something pre-kunark now.