p1999 green endgame for casuals

[Anxarcule]

So I recently started a wiz character on green having played a number of years ago on red (57 Monk up until right before Velious), knowing it's a gimped class but wanting to try it anyway. I am having fun but since I haven't played on a purely PvE server I'm wondering what kind of endgame I can look forward to. I had a blast raiding on red, getting raided by another guild mid-way and if I'm honest I don't have the time to commit to 4-5 hour raids at odd hours of the day/night. I'd love to get JBoots for my wiz when I hit 25 but I don't think I have a chance which means I'll need to wait for AC ring quest to be implemented and try my luck there (not sure how much that will be camped, but I imagine like everything else will be locked down by people playing 8+ hours a day).

I am enjoying the leveling experience, but I'm wondering if I'll ever get to achieve the really fun content that I remember way back from live with my limitations. As a wiz I feel likel I'll never be able to hold down camps for gear to sell for good pp or earn enough from port to afford the obscene prices I'm seeing for some items. Maybe I was spoiled by red being less heavily camped or at least having camps be contestable by PvP that a PvE server isn't for me. I guess what I'm asking for, realistically speaking will I be able to participate in raids on a server like this at the endgame, or will things be locked down by top tier guilds that claim/flag things literally minutes after they pop?

[loramin]

Wow, lots to unpack there. But in short:

1) Wizards do have it rough ... but even so they can earn plat just as any class can

2) with enough plat, all non-/list items are solvable

3) none of that has anything to do with raiding (well, except that high-end raiding can help you make that plat), but really if Wizards have anything going for them it's raiding: their DPS is at its best for raid mobs, and you can't even get to certain raid zones without them.

My advice: have fun and stop worrying. Go try doing the JBoots camp: I got mine in like 4 hours on New Year's Day. Sure it all depends on the whims of RNG Jesus, but if you can play for at least that long at a time, give the camp a shot. Even if you sit for a few hours and have to quit, you'll get a sense of how doable it is or isn't.

Plus, while most people just sit in the Drelzna room, you can totally do the jail or the crystal room while you wait on the list. Both should give XP at your level and are within /list range, so even if you don't get the boots, your time won't be a waste. Also, those mages in the crystal room can give you a full suit of Damask Armor, which isn't terrible for Int casters.

And if you really can only play for a max of 2 hours, you're still not screwed. Start farming plat now, and someday you'll buy your AC ring MQ ... or whatever else you want. Just view everything as a marathon to someday get what you want, and not a mad sprint you have to make: that's only for the Guise and Manastone people.

[zodium]

green has many adventures to offer but vanilla has no endgame to speak of, let alone as a wizard. play blue if you want to endgame.

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

green has many adventures to offer but vanilla has no endgame to speak of, let alone as a wizard. play blue if you want to endgame.

Raiding does not equal endgame in my opinion. Endgame to me is getting to or near max level, getting the best available equipment, maxing out all skills, camping items for your alt, helping your guild and newbies out.

[zodium]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raiding does not equal endgame in my opinion. Endgame to me is getting to or near max level, getting the best available equipment, maxing out all skills, camping items for your alt, helping your guild and newbies out.

my friend, i have bad news: my post did not say "raiding"

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

my friend, i have bad news: my post did not say "raiding"

You're right, you didn't say "raiding". But what else could you mean when you say vanilla has no endgame? Honestly that's the major difference between vanilla and kunark/velious when it comes to endgame.

[Malikail]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right, you didn't say "raiding". But what else could you mean when you say vanilla has no endgame? Honestly that's the major difference between vanilla and kunark/velious when it comes to endgame.

No there aren't even quests. Armor quests like velious had, spirit wracked cord and keys in kunark. classic really wasn't that good. I watched a friend play for 9 months back in the day, i used to make fun of him because he spent more time LFG or frustrated than having fun. It was when i saw the promotional stuff for kunark he finally got me to try it and because there was little competition and it was new to me i didn't understand why he had been so unhappy, i was barely lvl 20 when kunark dropped. it was a very different experience than playing in classic and from what i saw back then and am experiencing now it was a much better one.

[zodium]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right, you didn't say "raiding". But what else could you mean when you say vanilla has no endgame? Honestly that's the major difference between vanilla and kunark/velious when it comes to endgame.

there are three high end dungeons in vanilla, all with at least twenty-two minute respawns, and one of them is kedge. several classes are capable of soloing most camps, and some can hold down several solo; maybe five camps in the entire game have any use for four or more level appropriate people of basically any class composition. the good news is, gear is just for flavor and watching number go up, as virtually everything is incredibly easy by kunark or velious standards!

i'll die defending vanilla as an incredible game for the early stages where every piece of copper and patchwork counts, and the staff bought some time with the server split, but the end stage of vanilla was always going to be a desolate mad max hellscape of roving solo class warbois farming items for the next stage because that is the only endgame that exists.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Anxarcule [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had a blast raiding on red, getting raided by another guild mid-way and if I'm honest I don't have the time to commit to 4-5 hour

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I am enjoying the leveling experience, but I'm wondering if I'll ever get to achieve the really fun content that I remember way back from live with my limitations.

I don't see why a casual wizard can't do just about anything and everything on p99. Solo easier items for self or cash (think stuff like hadden, mortificator sythrak, hill giants, etc for solo cash), group anything with good friends/guildies, planar clears and stuff like fire giants with guildies, killing gods and dragons if you join a "competitive" guild, in classic and kunark and velious.

It's rare that a guild requires you to be around for ANY period of time, let alone 4-5 hours. You may not have great chances at any given piece of loot if you don't play as often as everyone else, but the warmbody zerg style guilds aren't going to turn away a wizard whose mana turns into damage just as well as any other wizard's does just because you don't play 8 hours straight every time you log on.


It's pretty safe to ignore the people who say "there's no endgame in [whatever]." Of course there's no steady diet of instanced raid content to clear at scheduled times on the same 3 nights every week so you can have all the same gear as every other member of your class on the whole server within 6-8 weeks of play. But that's not why we're playing EQ. It's not that there's no endgame... it's just different. "Endgame" in EQ is more about friends and guildies and alts and farming and exploring than pounding through a mudflation gear treadmill cycle every few months. Wizards can do EQ "endgame" stuff, especially with a supportive /friend list or guild.

[Corbin]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

" Of course there's no steady diet of instanced raid content to clear at scheduled times on the same 3 nights every week so you can have all the same gear as every other member of your class on the whole server within 6-8 weeks of play.

Mmm, on live EQ during POP, GOD, OOW, DON, Demiplane and the few expansions afterwards, there was a massive difference in gearing levels between members of the same class on the same servers, perpetually. Often most players on a server could not even get close to entering higher tier raid zones while the expansion was current or even for a few expansions beyond. Scheduled raids and instancing didn't make it easier to see progression content while it was current. It just changed the primary nature of the challenge.